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Dying For Nothing

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Actually Foxy and SR,

The last great peace initiative was the Oslo peace accord where Israel gave the Palestinians some degree of autonomy in the west bank and Gaza for a pledge to reduce the terrorist attacks on Israeli citizens.

The result initially was little to no change in terrorist attacks, but these soon started to escalate to the point where Israel needed to clamp down.

SR,

With any rights to commit violence, comes the responsibility to accept the consequences.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 17 June 2018 12:23:56 PM
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Actually, Shadow Minister,

The 1993 Oslo Accords, proved that the Palestinians were
in fact serious about peace. They had, by agreeing to a
two-state solution, given up almost 80 per cent of
"historical Palestine," and despite years of ongoing
settlement expansion , checkpoints, and military incursions,
many leading Palestinians still called for cooperation with
Israel. The mainstream Israeli position was that the occupation
would soon cease and a Palestinian state would be formed.

The government, however, had no intention of dismantling
settlements, and instead accelerated construction.

Israel intended to maintain settlements throughout the West
Bank and Gaza making a contiguous Palestinian state impossible.
Ultimately Arafat refused the offers on the table because
they were too vague and didn't appreciate the requirements of
the Palestinian people. Barak hoped the Palestinians would
accept Israel's rules, then dared to suggest that Arafat
was incapable of accepting the existence of the Jewish state.

The power imbalance of the negotiations - the Palestinians
had already agreed to give up much of their historical homeland
almost guaranteed a disappointing outcome.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 June 2018 2:13:56 PM
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Actually Foxy,

Historical Palestine also included Transjordan, and after 1949, the West Bank and Gaza were owned by Jordan and Egypt respectively.

The Arab rejection of the original partition plan of 1947 and the subsequent failure of the planned genocide is what led to the borders of 1949, and the subsequently attempted genocides in 1967 and 1973 led to the present day borders. Notably, the Sinai was returned to Egypt after a peace treaty in which Israel traded land for peace. The Oslo accord was done in a similar vein trading land for peace, and not intended to be the endpoint. However, the Palestinians did not honour their promises and the terror attacks did not decrease but increased.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 18 June 2018 12:53:16 PM
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Shadow Minister,

That is simply not true.

We are so far apart with our views on this that
I think any further discussion would be pointless.

Have a nice day.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 18 June 2018 1:00:22 PM
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Foxy,

I am stating facts. Which facts do you think are not true?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 18 June 2018 2:14:23 PM
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