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Dying For Nothing

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Foxy,

Clearly, we are speaking to different people. However, there are several universities whose policies are clearly anti-Israel that won't touch SS with a barge pole. Perhaps you could name a US university that favours Israel over the Palestinians?

SR,

Your interpretation of the fourth quote I provided is as phoney and duplicitous as it gets, and if anything the "" makes it worse.

Your standard debating tactics of simply avoiding the points you've lost by nitpicking an irrelevant point.

If you claim SS is not anti-Semitic, then why, based on his social media postings, is he persona non grata at just about every major university in the world? Why if SS's speciality is indigenous studies is the vast predominance of his work anti-Israel?

Why do most people think SS is anti-Semitic? Because he frequently targets Jews.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 14 June 2018 5:43:37 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“Your interpretation of the fourth quote I provided is as phoney and duplicitous as it gets, and if anything the "" makes it worse.”

Rubbish. The only reason you removed them in the first place was to make him look bad.

The reason why US universities are shy of employing him is because of the terrible backlash from people who think like you do, that any slight against Israel is anti-Semitic when it plainly isn't.

Your warped sense of political correctness is utterly toxic and racist to boot.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 15 June 2018 1:03:59 AM
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SR,

I am all too aware of the heavy hand of the Israel defence forces, but I am also aware of the cost to Israeli civilians every time the pressure is relaxed. I don't see Israel sending children to stab people.

Your unashamed attempt to whitewash someone that is unambiguously anti-Semitic and racist is because you are also clearly anti-Semitic and racist to boot.

Your hatred of a people and your negligent and deliberate blindness to the vicious and persistent threat that Hamas presents to the people that Israel has a duty to protect exposes a poison in your spirit.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 15 June 2018 11:04:24 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I don't think that it's a case of speaking to different
people. I should have clarified things a bit better.
As the Brookings Institute surveys convey - sympathy
for Palestinians should not imply hostility to Israel
now should sympathy for Israel require disregard for
the fate of Palestinians.

A solution to their conflict achieving two states for
two peoples is the outcome most preferred by Americans.
And the sentiments on university campuses reflects in
the majority this view or tries to.

Regardless of party and administrations of both parties
have sought to help both Israel and the Palestinians achieve
their goals in a two-state solution.

You asked me however - to name one university who was pro Israel -
the closest things I can come up with - is Arizona State
University who asked an academic to sign a contract not to
criticise Israel at a university event. Not sure if that
qualifies.

Universities as explained prefer not to take sides.
Hence the objections of so many academics, chairs and
universities who objected to the treatment of S. Salaita.
where an institution of learning buckled under the influence
of Zionist influences and Jewish donors.

Not Kosher!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 15 June 2018 1:41:43 PM
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Foxy,

It is possible to have sympathy for the Palestinians and disdain for their rulers, and sympathy for Israelis and anger at the Israeli government.

However, it is my experience is that many use sympathy for the suffering of the people in Gaza as a thin veneer for an intergenerational hatred of Jews as has been aptly demonstrated on this thread.

By comparison, I have spent some time in Sub Saharan Africa and have seen multitudes in the same grinding poverty that they have endured for generations and the aid agencies that spend $bns to alleviate this. The fault is not with the people themselves or the donor countries but lies entirely with the corrupt despots that steal just about everything for themselves and their cronies.

The job of the Israeli government is to protect their people which they do well if a little too enthusiastically. In contrast, the Hamas leadership have obliterated any opposition, enriched themselves and squandered the aid money on arming themselves in a fight that they can never win.

With regard to Hatem Bazian who was not a lecturer at Arizona Uni, but the guest speaker, at an event on the University. I would guess that the contract had more to do with Hatem Bazian's crossing the line from Anti Israel to Anti Semitic that drew a strong reprimand from the Berkley Uni chancellor.

Note SS and HB received the same treatment as if they had, for example, used the N-word in a derogatory fashion. At centres of learning political activism is generally encouraged, racism is not.

It's not Kosher or Halal.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 16 June 2018 9:25:50 AM
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Shadow Minister,

Here is a link that explains the Arizona State University's
position:

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/arizona-university-forces-speakers-sign-pledge-they-dont-boycott-israel

It is unfortunate - that you still persist in associating
Palestine with terrorism and those who support their cause
as being anti-Semitic. Your view appears to be so ingrained.
It proves that it certainly is an uphill battle for some
Australians to unlearn years of Zionist propaganda.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 16 June 2018 10:31:40 AM
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