Dear Belly,

Where from this strange idea as if small groups wish to rule over the majority?

(it's rather the big groups, such as the major parties, that have such perverted wishes, then they project their own dirty minds on innocent others)

Small groups just want to protect their vital interests so they can maintain their way of life. It so happens that the only legal avenue they have to defend themselves against majorities, is to vote themselves to the senate of Australia - I am sure they would prefer to have alternate, better and easier ways to preserve their freedom: if we can find such ways, then indeed the senate becomes redundant!

Yuyutsu some times think you are pulling our legs, see no doubt exists in our house of ill repute known as the senate minority's have got things by blackmailing government in to letting them influence things only they want

First Past the Post:

3 candidates,

A. loved by many gets 33% of the vote.

B. loved by many as well, gets 33%,

C. Detested by most, gets 34%, elected even though 66% of the voters

hate his/her guts.

"Great" system, no wonder Labor opposed it, on democratic grounds, all those years ago.

//So, that doesn't alter the fact that they have Muslims infiltrated in every on of these Governments be it Senate or Parliament or whater//

But do they, though? I mean, they might - but you're clearly not a reliable source of information. Not so much because you got your facts wrong (to err is human), but because when you were corrected you threw a little tantrum and declared accurate information to be petty nit-picking.

Well with that sort of attitude, one can only assume you're none too critical about what you accept as 'fact'. If accurate information isn't important, and you don't care whether the claims you make are accurate because that's just 'academic worming about'... why on Earth should anybody believe them?

Hoping we'll just take it on faith?

//you picked on a petty technical issue & completely side-stepped the overall issue//

It's very hard to have a meaningful discussion about any subject in a vacuum of facts.

Get your facts straight first, and people might start to care about your opinions. Or not.

Had Labor controlled the Senate it would have passed the Malaysian solution, long ago boats would have stopped here and in all nearby Asian country's, YES our intake would have risen, for a time, yes we, while they continued, may have taken in say 20.000 more,now? no boats no need for offshore detention, no wounder Tony Abbott wishes he did not block it in the house of ill repute

Dear Belly,

«minority's have got things by blackmailing government in to letting them influence things only they want»

A blackmailer threatens to take away or damage what you already have.
For example he would kidnap your child, or would keep your files encrypted unless you give him the money he wants.

Refusing to give you something that you don't already have/own, is not a blackmail: say a shopkeeper tells you, I will not give you this lawn-mower unless you first give me $500 - you may not like it, but it is not an instance of blackmail.

Government currently does not have a majority in both houses - it is not theirs. If they want it, then they need to negotiate until those who have the commodity they want (more votes) agree to give it to them.

And this is why citizens who find themselves in a minority and dread that the most valued aspects of their way of life could be compromised by legislation, elect minority parties. They are not there to rule the country - they are there to protect what is most precious for them.

Perhaps as you say "only they want", but they want it so much, so badly, perhaps more than life itself, whereas the majority may indeed not want it, but their not-wanting is lukewarm so they do not object to it so bitterly with tooth and nail. The majority could find what the minority wants a little uncomfortable but it wouldn't produce a serious dent in their life.

Too long to quote here, so please read the biblical story of the poor man's lamb: 2-Samuel [12:1-7].
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+12%3A1-7&version=NIV