Dear Is Mise,

In the discussion that led us here, Hasbeen wrote:

«I'm afraid that you will have to submit to all the rules of the society if you want to benefit from any. Deciding to benefit from any facilities obviously requires you to help fund those facilities.»

And I agreed.

But what in the case when one is not seeking any benefits?

Why should rules that other people make make any difference?
Why should they be allowed to override the natural sense of justice?

The law of the jungle might be feared, but should never be respected.

Is Mise,
These World Power rules in effect also enabled some Palestinians & Jews to occupy land in Australia.

IF some views expressed here came true a Muslim terrorist group could be elected to our senate, thankfully grown ups, most of us, no longer fear shadows and boggy men

Dear Belly,

I very much doubt that radicalised Muslims in Australia have the numbers to fetch even a tenth of a senator, but suppose they had, then what? all their senator could do is to unite everyone else against him.

On the other hand, should a MODERATE Muslim party be formed in order to make the daily life of ordinary Muslims in Australia easier, say by helping Muslims to get jobs where their observance of Ramadan and prayers is respected and supported, or by improving the labelling of alcoholic drinks, etc., then why not? I would even preference such a party above the major parties.

Better still is to set up a party for the protection of the freedoms of all religions - for Christians to maintain the inviolable sanctity of the confessional, for Jews to not be summoned to court on the Sabbath and Jewish holidays, for Muslims to be able to go on pilgrimage to Mecca even when otherwise prevented from leaving Australia, for JWs to be able to refuse blood-transfusion and immunisation, including for their children, for Sikhs to be able to carry their kirpans at all times, for Hindus to be able to bring cows into temples without "health and safety" restrictions, for both Hindus and Buddhists to be able to leave their bodies, temporary or permanently, through deep meditation (Samadhi) without having their relatives accused of "manslaughter" for failing to alert authorities that they stopped breathing and without authorities entering and disturbing their "corpses", etc. etc.

I expect such a pro-religion party, which I would be likely to vote for, to horse-trade with government and opposition for such religious protections. In exchange, it could allow government to do whatever it likes in areas that are irrelevant to religion such as economics, defence, foreign relations, infrastructure, etc. It's a win-win situation - what could be fairer than this?

There will be a Muslim in the Senate very shortly, in September so I believe.

http://www.mehreenfaruqi.org.au/about/

Belly,
You'd better look up how Britain & Germany & France & Holland & Belgium & Sweden ended up having Muslims in their Senate.
Be prepared to use up many Gigabytes looking it all up because that's how much evidence is already out there yet the Left is trying to play it down. Makes one wonder what the Left's real agenda is, eh ?