I can understand Paul and SR wanting to ban live exports as their ideology supports anything that damages Australian industry. They support anything that is detrimental to our industry and economy.

I am a bit surprised that others call for the banning of live exports as this would adversely effect many industries. I can only think that they have not thought the matter through. Where is the evidence that this is an industry wide issue?

I do not think these same people would advocate the closing of all police services or defense services because there was misconduct at one station or unit. Nor would they want the closure of all aged care facilities because one nursing home failed its residents. Yet here we have one ship with allegations of failure of animal care and people are calling to shut the whole industry down. I am not aware of any evidence yet that suggests the same problems on other ships. Until then I will only support calls for penalties relating to this one ship.

People should put their emotions on hold and think rationally about the situation.

A correction:

//I don't think it's unreasonable for voters to tell the Government they would like to see such policies enacted.//

Further research suggests that the policies are already in place, and that better enforcement is what's required. I shall have to write a new letter to the Minister.

//It has nothing to do with emotions.//

//I will say it again; emotions have no place in discussions.//

Do you think if you keep repeating that long enough, it might come true?

It's just that it's not a very convincing proposition when your last four posts have consisted of nothing but an extended tantrum.

//It is immature and child-like in thinking that we can transport sheep without losses.//

Of course you're going to have occasional losses. Statistically, you will lose the odd sheep here and there to natural causes. If you took the same number of sheep as you put on an export ship and left them on a farm for the same period as the sheep were being transported, you'd expect losses from both groups (if it was a large enough group of sheep).

That's not what's happening on the live export ships. It's not the occasional sheep dying of some random sheep disease; it's large numbers of sheep, all dying from the same preventable causes, because the operators of the export ships are dodgy. The fact that there is no such thing as an immortal sheep does not imply that animal cruelty through negligence is acceptable.

Apparently it doesn't bother you that these people are operating outside the law, let alone the bounds of common decency. What a little rebel you are, ALTRAVing lunatic.

//If I have made a factual mistake, I would be greatful to being corrected as I am attempting to make a point with the correct facts.//

Liar.

//Your problem and others like you is that you have not experienced life//

So much for trying use correct facts, eh?

//What do you and your fairy mates expect? A 100% survival rate? If you do then I am justified in calling you whatever names I want for being so blatantly stupid and uninformed. So when you finally come to accept that sheep will die whether in a ship, in a paddock//

And if you expect that sheep in a paddock will suffer the same mortality rate as sheep exposed to criminal negligence on live export ships, are we justified in calling you whatever names we want for being so blatantly stupid and uninformed? Or will that constitute abuse and induce further tantrums?

//For the record, I'm not a violent man, never have been, but I will not stand idly by and accept some fools opinion of something they know NOTHING about.//

XD

Whatcha gonna do about it, princess? Cissy-slap us over the internet?

//I do.//

The evidence indicates otherwise.

//Did you actually read my post about being part of the original live sheep delegation to Baghdad?//

Yes, of course you were. We're all totally convinced by all your really believable claims, every single one of them. Why, every time you come up with a new one they become even more believable.

//Are you an idiot or a psychopath?//

Well he's obviously an idiot, Steele.

But yeah, when I read his posts demonstrating his blasé acceptance of cruelty to animals it certainly gave me pause to wonder - as other posts from him have previously - whether or not he actually suffers from anti-social personality disorder.

He certainly seems, at times, to be unburdened by that sense of right and wrong we call 'conscience' which most of us take for granted and whose absence is a key feature of ASPD.

But I suspect that what is a more probable explanation for his outlandish behaviour is just that he lacks basic social skills (possibly he's 'on the spectrum', as we like to call it these days) and that he hasn't quite grasped the difference between trolling lefties and coming across as a deeply disturbed loner at odds with commonly and broadly held standards of morality.

It is amazing the extent of stupidity and arrogance being demonstrated by the 'we know who'. Now I know you are just trouble makers, part of the far left rent-a-crowd. Your last act of irrelevance was just played out by challenging me on my statement of being part of the original delegation to Baghdad re; the live sheep export trade. If you need proof look up the archives and look for a Mr D Hughes a major sheep/livestock grower back when all this began. OH and BTW you smart arses, sheep dying is nothing new and NOT cruel. Sheep getting their throats ripped out by dogs and foxes and so on, IS! Go away and learn the difference, before you excrete any more sh!t from your mouths. As I said earlier, I won't stand by and listen to someone talking sh!t. Before you make unsubstantiated claims, you all grow up. I don't know what you people are on but trying to destroy an Aussy export based on some childish fantasy of cruelty is just plain stupid and is akin to gross vandalism and naivety. Grow up. You people are not to be taken seriously. Don't bother responding unless you want to be denigrated further.