" There is no damn cruelty"

Pull the other leg, it whistles.

Is Mise, the problem is not cruelty. You and others like you have taken a narrow and childlike view on these issues. If you refuse to admit that these animals were more than likely weak or ill before they left, and therefore a good chance they were going to die, that's your un-informed decision. What is in question here is not whether these deaths are 'cruel', but who is saying they are cruel. I have given examples galore as to what IS cruel. Dogs attacking these animals and ripping their throats out, for fun, now that's cruel. When these sheep die it is SAD not cruel. You wonder why I come out fighting. Here is such an example, when I hear blatant attempts to make a point by exaggerating or just plain lying. The do-gooders have no real or tangible grounds to justify their stance on this topic and so they over-reach in desperation, in a pathetic attempt to win their point. As I said before, Don't ban live sheep export. Ban the people against it. It would be far more productive and justified to gather up all those against the livestock export trade and load you all up on a, let's call it a 'dip-ship', and all our problems would be solved. Just think, because you all think you've got the answers, well this would be the perfect way to put them to the test. Good luck and 'bon voyage'.

ALTRVE, you certainly are a rare one. How does one attain true nirvana, discovering ones inner self, reaching a higher astral plane beyond that of mere mortals. The answer is simple according to you; "Support Live Sheep Exports", the rest of us are just 'air-heads'.

Take this diatribe "Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 16 April 2018 3:33:51 PM" read it, its absolute garbage!

Paul, once again you rave on. The umpire came back a long time ago with an answer to your input to some of these topics. If my comments are 'absolute garbage', then yours are too. Why do you and others have to comment about things you know NOTHING about. When I look through the topic list I do not comment on topics I am not familiar with and just keep looking down the list. If there's nothing there for me, I just move on. Out of ALL the commentors on this topic, I am the only one with actual knowledge and experience on this topic yet you challenge me. Why do you bother? Instead of mocking and knocking, how about asking me questions about this topic? Not only will you become better informed, but you may help explain to others as to why their attitude is mis-directed. Well I tried.

ALTRAV, your assertion that there is no animal cruelty on these ships is wrong. The vision shows sheep in the most disgusting of conditions. Why you would claim otherwise is beyond me. Or is it you accept such cruelty when there is a buck to be made, nothing else matters.

Farmers do not send off 'weak and ill’ animals; they would lose business and more than likely be prosecuted under one or of the health regulations required of a 'clean, green’ country. What we saw on that ship was bloody cruel, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not a very nice person. Only a complete ban on live exports will stop the cruelty. There are more countries wanting chilled carcasses that those wanting to kill their own, and civilised countries should have put a stop to this barbarism long ago. New Zealand did, and their lamb is prized above ours all over the world. NZ doesn’t pander to anyone.