Dear ALTRAV,

No one called you anything in previous posts on this thread, but you launched straight away with terms like f-wits, dole bludgers, idiots, little children, ignorant etc.

Then when you cop a little bit back you go all sooky on us.

I have repeatedly said you need to grow up. Try it for once.

Dear Banjo,

I have been reading up on the early settlement of Victoria and there was an interesting little snippet germane to our discussion.

In 1836 settlers were bring sheep over from Tasmania as quickly as possible to help secure land claims. They were shipped in lots up to 750 at a time from December through to March on journeys which typically took 5 or more days.

Of the 4212 sheep transported for George Russell only 4 died at sea representing less than .001% loss.

No I know these journeys were 5 days instead of 15 but Bass Strait is not the most forgiving stretch of water.

Here we are 170 years later accepting losses of 4% as standard and over 10% as just 'regrettable'.

Why?

SR, firstly, I am surprised you did not find ANY evidence of what I said. Just look back at some of Pauls responses, that should do it.
Now on with your comments re sheep. Firstly the crossing was obviously much shorter, and most importantly the climate in the Bass Straight is cool to cold. Now even though the sheep are shorn they are subject to temperatures which are about the same as here. The ships are not sealed boxes, they carry water and feed. They don't want anymore deaths than we do because obviously someone is going to be held accountable. I can just imagine if the unthinkable happened and the ships turned up with ALL the sheep dead. I can't imagine. What is out of place in this debate is the unrealistic expectations of a particular 'type' of people who appear to demonstrate a complete lack of maturity and reason. This is so because to expect several thousand sheep to be moved in this manner and not result in some deaths is clearly immature and unreasonable. Let's say we do it the old fashioned way and we 'walk' them to their destination. (if it was even possible) would one of the brainiacs out there care to tell me how many would die along the way? As for them being in a hot environment. Firstly, most days it's always windy out on the ocean. Baring the odd calm day. So if it is hot from where they leave, it stands to reason, it is cold where they are going, and don't forget the temps and conditions in both environments are very similar, so the sheep that died, very likely were doomed before they left. These continual attacks on very important trade deals making Australia many millions of dollars is just futile and childish. How about the mantra, 'for the greater good'. Many Aussies lost their lives in battle under that mantra, I think we can forego a few sheep by comparison.

ttbn, when did you suddenly decide to back such a mindless cause. Ban Live Exports! Really? You would not suggest such a thing if you were better informed about so many things which are affected by your title. Quora limits responses to the point that they do not carry enough information to convey an informed response, and so we see so many mindless unhelpful comments. It is immature to simply expect the cessation of ANY livestock shipments based on the antagonists premises. It is a fact, livestock die, all the time. So you must not use that as an argument. These are not healthy stud animals they are dealt the hand that they get, just like any other living thing. The fact that they are at the bottom of the food chain is just a fact and no more. The fact that you and others like you are awakened enough to actually comment against live exports is a demonstration of your lack of maturity and life experiences. You and others like you, those who picket the ports and try to disrupt the movement of livestock are in fact criminals. Those backing such ridiculous moves are at best 'air-heads', who as I said have not experienced the fullness of life and all it's machinery. You sit there sipping your triple latte what-the hell-ever, and between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, and a few more of your lesser informed compatriots, including the ones sitting there petting their pets, conclude that animals dying is the fault of mankind. Well guess what they just die. It is a gross mis-acusation to push the cruelty banner. No one attacked them with a weapon and bashed their heads in. No one ripped their throats out just for fun. So stop vilifying and lying and exaggerating the live sheep or cattle or goats export situation. You are being ridiculed more and more by the rest of the population. We are all sick of seeing, hearing your people's raves and rants. Pick another 'real' problem area and move your cause to that one. There's nothing to see here.

Dear ALTRAV,

You wrote;

“SR, firstly, I am surprised you did not find ANY evidence of what I said.”

Seriously mate I can't keep up. I specifically quoted the derogatory words you had used in your opening post. They are there as plain as day. Perhaps you might want to go and read it to refresh yourself.

Look I get that you have a tendency to pile on without thinking and I probably should be cutting you some slack as it is not normal behaviour, but you have illustrated an ability to dial it back when you get pulled up so I encourage you to review your posts before submitting.

SR, duly noted. I cannot accept questionable comments. I am wired to respond according to the veracity and relativity of a comment. I do not deal in personalities so if I find a comment is way out of line, I respond accordingly. The hoo-haa that has plagued the live animal export trade is unjustified and should not be entertained. Too many untruths are quoted in the name of facts. The best one which gets all the ....... going is, cruelty. Stop hyping it up. There is no damn cruelty. This is a wasted cause. You know very well that sheep die, all the time, all that changes is, where they die. The livestock have food, water and air, which is more than they get where they came from. Do you seriously believe that the exporters are ok with their cargo dying on them? No but being mature, reasonable adults, they know that deaths are inevitable. Now if only we can get you and your compatriots to accept the truth/facts about the live sheep export trade, we can all move on. Ban live Exports? No, ban the ones who think they know what they are talking about and don't!