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Police Violence, A Growing Concern,

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Hi there DIVER DAN...

Well I'll be buggered, you're indeed a gentleman of extraordinary talents both as a poet and an observer of consequence. Gaols and the curtilages thereof, tend to be quite well monitored during hours of darkness, and anything that by happenstance, finds its way over the wall is instantly investigated, provided of course the guards are awake, and are of a mind to investigate?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 31 March 2018 10:02:55 AM
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Nothing like a poem;

There was a young lad from Byron
Who did not hear the police siren!
Instead of a tongue lashing
They gave him a bashing!

Now those four coppers
Are learning the score!
And may well find....
That, their, jobs.... are no more!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 April 2018 6:40:15 AM
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Now I wish to deal with Paul 1405.

The Brat...

Not bad (poem), but sentiments short of the quid,

For standing in public in no undies and shirt

Was also short of a quid....

And as a consequence that, (and other behaviour of a brat),

He earned his just desert.

P1405

If you were to use logic and reason as your guide in this matter, your conclusion would fail to defend your victim.
But humans of course, are not creatures of reason by nature, we descended from Apes.

We evolved over thousands of years hunting and gathering in small bands,and honed further our intelligence processes, in the service of those aims.
Only very recently did we become literate, and begin a civilising process which is ongoing. And your victim is demonstration enough to prove the fact.

Taking drugs as did your victim, is undoing the civilising process Paul 1405, and should be roundly punished, as it was by the good policeman.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 1 April 2018 11:28:31 AM
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It well be the case, one or more of those police could lose their jobs. If that happens I guess your outrage will finally be assuaged PAUL1405. The youth ('Victim') concerned will be able to boast to his mates how clever and calculated his behaviour was, that he managed to have a copper lose his job. I suspect there will be congratulations all around as a consequence of that result.

And the other three police, will be paraded and formerly warned, with their Pers. File appropriately endorsed, as a result of their misconduct. So the next time there's a job involving resistive behaviour, these three will be loath to assist, other than to offer a token level of assistance, in other words they might as well not be there.

People have often asked me and others of my vintage, why it takes so many coppers to arrest one individual? I'll tell you why the average GD is just too damn scared to offer meaningful assistance. I say 'sacred' not because they're physical cowards, rather the very real risk of either losing their job; their benefits; their Pension; their good name and reputation; or they'll support their wife and family ; service their mortgage; etc etc.

Yet most of the general public continually ask why aren't police a lot rougher and tougher on street violence especially the street hoodlums and violent drug pushers.

And shouting noisily from the side-lines we have the likes of PAUL1405, continually condemning every move the police make, by bleating loudly for more training and still more training. As always I would respectfully ask PAUL1405 to show us all, precisely what training police should get that would satisfy him?
Posted by o sung wu, Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:17:45 PM
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Perverted logic there DD. The coppers had no idea he was on drugs at the time that they were administering the bashing. Not withstanding, it also begs the question, because a person is on drugs should that giver the coppers some kind of licence to bash them.

Under what other circumstance should coppers be given a free licence to bash people?

Because they are mentally ill, poor, female, their colour, not of the correct ethnic or religious background. They are of the wrong political persuasion. Simply on suspicion, that is a good enough reason for a bloke like you, and a few others on this forum, so it would seem.

Having gangs of thugs in uniform, going around bashing people, does that remind you of anything in history. Maybe the good old days.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:30:14 PM
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Hi o sung wu,

On the contrary, should an officer lose his job over this, and/or others disciplined, it will not be as you say "congratulations all around as a consequence of that result." In fact it will be a sad outcome indeed, no winners, just losers! Many, rightly make much of the difficulty that is the job of a police officer, and that has always been the case. Along with everything else there is a commitment by those that join the force to uphold the law, not break the law. Just as it goes for the bad guys, coppers that transgress should expect a punishment befitting their crime. No one including police are above the law.
The day we as a society start turning a blind eye to law breaking by police, is the day we give up the right to a free and democratic society, and start living under the rule of a police state. Something I certainly do not want, do you?
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 1 April 2018 12:51:08 PM
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