Paul,

Your 'wit' like your spelling "... what he reckened..." leaves much to be desired.

I did 32 years in the job. There are not many arrests for street offences that turn out to be consensual. If resistive behaviour is offered, in turn police must counter it, by deploying force directly proportional to that resistance offered.

It's known as the 'Doctrine of Proportionality' which forms part of, the wider, all encompassing 'Use of Force Paradigm'. An issue that came from a judgement originally emanating from the High Court.

Prima facie (means; 'On the face of it')...Did those four coppers who were in the process of attempting to restrain this 16 yo youth, deploy excessive force?

Possibly the Officer with the baton - though I wasn't there. Thus I'm not in possession of all the facts; viz. 'the before's & the after's'.

When younger I have no doubt whatsoever I could've controlled this bloke on my own, ICE affected or otherwise. After all there are some herein, who in the past have accused me of being a thug and bully boy, so it should prove easy for me??

The problem today, and appearing to be almost insurmountable for the cops; there are too many 'auditors' of police behaviour, and they're simply too nervous to act and get the job done quickly and efficiently.

Damned if the do & Damned if the don't.

The critics say train them better? OK in what way? Show us all how they should be better trained? Deploy mental health workers? Excellent idea if the problem is one concerning mental health, and not strictly street hooliganism. You see armchair experts always identify the problem; but are bereft of any realistic solutions! And I'd include some 'ombudsmen' from the past in that equation!

OSW: The critics say train them better? OK in what way? Show us all how they should be better trained? Deploy mental health workers?

Off Topic but. remember when they charged that section for blowing up a kid in a Room in Afghanistan & that female Military Lawyer wanted them charged. I suggested then that; on every Patrol they should have a Military Barrister, so every time the Section gets into a Fire Fight the MB can go & speak to the belligerents to see if it's OK to proceed. I can see that working. ;-) In fact that'd be a good idea. Ay.

Same here. On every Patrol a Law type person must be there to give the Police advice when they are arresting Crim. Can you see them wanting to do that. Ha ha.

G'day to you JAYB...

Same thing with the coppers - with every call-out, the Patrol should be accompanied by a Psychologist; Barrister; Social Worker, Mental Health Nurse, the SAS (if available) etc. Forget about a police car, get a bus to carry all the ancillary support workers in case the 'knucklehead' wants access to someone during the course of his arrest!

The funny thing JAYB, the real crime if you will, is when they get sentenced to gaol. Ostensibly, they should be protected in every sense of the word, but they're not. Gaol itself is a crime that's perpetrated against almost all prisoners.

Whether they're assaulted; stood-over; anally raped; intimidated; or menaced in other ways. Being in gaol is just like existing in a small all encompassing community, with it's own government and decision makers. The official Prison Administration and staff, are only there in order to give sanction to those of the 'unofficial govt. and staff, to run the place. Along their own lines and within their own rules and terms.

So unless the inmate is of strong character and capable of taking care of himself, both physically and psychologically, gaol is just the beginning of the end. Allowing them to invariable end up on the road to personal perdition. Sad but true I'm afraid. The States gaols have *got to be cleaned up, starting at the very top*.

The attitude from the rapid right is deplorable. I think Officer Egg may well be charged with aggravated assault etc which if proven should demand a custodial sentence. The three wackos who held the lad down while Egg got his jollies and bashed him, should be unceremoniously booted from the force. The numskull who sat in the truck and done nothing should be stationed somewhere so he can do the least harm, like west of the Black Stump!

The notion that coppers are above the law, and should mete out this so called "sidewalk justice" is typical police state nonsense. Any copper who thinks that they have this god given right to dispense their brand of justice at will, should not be in the force for 32 seconds, let alone 32 years!

Issy. a fool is a fool, is a fool.

P1405: I think Officer Egg may well be charged with aggravated assault etc which if proven should demand a custodial sentence.

& the lad high on Drugs, likewise. Don't you think. or do you think he should get a million Dollars to spend up on Drugs bigtime, sharing a Tanker full of LSD with his mates?