Just a few Bible FACTS have silenced the "nodding-dog" believers on here.

The Bible always destroys them for several reasons...They haven't read it...OR...they never studied it properly if at all.

Believer afterlife unknowingness is astounding!

So Jesus was proud of his heritage to Psychopath, adulterous, child killer David...They simply can't escape that FACT!

Jesus didn't get rid of slavery, he didn't address the holocaust issues, he didn't address the mass murder issues, he didn't address the murdering of innocent babies and innocent children issues, and he didn't address the oppression of women and the myriad of lies!

Maybe he just forgot...lmao

Jesus' failings and the rest of you have failed God...You too easily believe God approved of and sometimes committed infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, incest, Mosaic Law - (Sharia Law), stoning, slavery , oppression of women and other atrocities?

Every version of the Bible says GOD did! And you simply follow the lies like sheep...BAAA!

Your contempt for your own God is astounding!...and you have the nerve to correct others...lmao...Shame on you!

How's that forest of logs going in your believer eyes?...lmao

How dare you miss verses like these and not even think about them?

1 Samuel 15:2-3....THUS SAYETH THE LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

NOW GO AND SMITE Amalek, and UTTERLY DESTROY all that they have, and spare them not; but SLAY BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, INFANT AND SUCKLING, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

By the Rivers of Babylon is such an horrid, ugly song!

Psalms 137:9 Happy (shall he be), that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

NNS & Josephus...Your belief in these horrors as God approved have allowed you to justify indoctrination, lying to children, and the manipulation of children's minds by selling Baby Jesus and Bible hero stories that are a deceit and unforgiveable abuse!

Do you still think you are good people?...lmao

And to think you probably delusionally think you are saved...lmao!

Let's agree on one point, the bible was written at times when it was literally dog eat dog, pestilence, brutal and ruthless ways by conquerors. It was translated so many times, from Greek orthodox, Latin, German (Luther) and the Catholic bible to name a few. Pick up on google St.Mark's secret gospels, were they changed. He was there.

People were suspicious, in fear of natural environmental events, the flood did happen in some places around 6,000 BC. Even in Australia it is recorded in the Aboriginals Dreaming. They blamed every disaster on the will of the Gods, or God. In the Genesis, the processes of evolution are almost correct, accept the timing of course. But can we say how long is a God's day. The Old Testament is of Hebrew history, taken from Jewish writings. I don't think they were deliberately trying to make up tales. There is a lot of family history so & so begot so & so, names I have never heard of.

Jesus was from Nazareth. Not Bethlehem. He could not have been from David's Line, but they wanted a messiah, to account for a second coming. Jesus was not a warrior, like David. So they resurrected and changed his story and that he would return one day to deliver his people

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The Abraham Story is another mixed up tale. Ishmael Abe;s son by his wife's maid, was allegedly turned away into the wilderness because Abe's wife was jealous, that Ismael would inherit all the father's wealth and position. Well the Muslims believe Ishmael was Abraham's son, and Isaac remains the Jews and Christians main son. Story is to validate this connection between Abraham and the Muslims, is that an angel guided Ishmael and his mother to safety to Arabia. How about that eh?

It's as wild as some of King Arthur;s fables. There was a warlord known as Arthur. Same as Hereward the Wake, another folk hero.

People want to believe in magic and miracles, and let's face it there have been some rather unusual true stories of what appears to be a miracle. Anyway must put in my Powerball, I believe in magic I might win the big one, lol.

Thank you for the apology AJ Philips. Without it I was going to assume your bragging about being clever was regarding how well you could make a point and an insult at the same time. Still not impressed by it, but I'll try to let it go.

The origional issue of changing the goal posts was because I asked if you felt abused by what I said regarding hell. As opposed to this being said to a child. Though I don't think I would teach a kid that was too young about hell, if one asked, or was old enough (in my opinion), I think the explaination I gave you would be suitable for them too, without being considered abuse. Though I'm sure you would still disagree (as you keep repeating as you explained before). If that does not suffice then so be it. As far as I'm aware I was also only answering to the challenges you made and and explaining myself if there was misunderstanding.

Either way teaching about hell is not abuse. It being the hardest lesson in Christianity to teach then by association Christianity is also not a form of abuse. This is not just my assertions. It's my understanding of what counts as abuse. I stand by my point though that religion is accused as abuse largely as a means to silence religion instead of dealing with any actual abuse.

Teaching about Hell is abuse, if you make a child believe they could end up there if they don't strictly adher to religious teachings and ritual, and strict moral codes. That is put the fear of God into innocent impressionable children. I know kids can be frustrating, but I tell them the truth, continue this mind set, and you will get in trouble with the law of the land.

I will not tell them that God is watching them all the time. And he will punish them for their sins. OK Go to confession, and all will be forgiven. It is archaic. Like the ancient Egyptians, during the funeral rites and burial. If one's heart is pure then it is weighed and then if it is OK, on you go to the afterlife etc. Well some of those Pharaohs were rotten too. Especially Ramses the Great who kept the Israelites in bondage.

If you believe in the truth of hell, fair enough. But there is hell on earth, like the Holocaust. Discrimination against women. Slavery. And so on and so on. Nite folks.

That’s encouraging to hear, Not_Now.Soon.

<<Though I don't think I would teach a kid that was too young about hell …>>

However, I think it is still a terrible thing to be teaching an adolescent (or even an adult, for that matter) without objective evidence that such a place exists.

<<… if one asked, or was old enough (in my opinion), I think the explaination I gave you would be suitable for them too, without being considered abuse.>>

I think the older the person is, the more it depends on the individual being told, and how it’s told to them.

If, for example, we were talking about a 17-year-old who you knew was just going to laugh at you for holding such beliefs, then it would be hard to label it abuse. But if you were to grab that person and shake them while telling them emphatically that they were going to burn unless they found God and repented, then that would be abuse. I think it would also be abuse if, conversely, a 17-year-old were emotionally fragile and suffered from anxiety issues.

<<Either way teaching about hell is not abuse.>>

I think I have well and truly demonstrated otherwise, now. Teaching someone to uncritically believe something, that has a real chance of creating a fear in them, when there is no objective evidence that such a fear is warranted, is absolutely abusive.

<<It being the hardest lesson in Christianity to teach then by association Christianity is also not a form of abuse.>>

This is the Association fallacy:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that you have not yet demonstrated that teaching the doctrine of Hell is not abuse, your conclusion still is flawed. Even if, according to Christianity, there were no Hell and everyone went to Heaven (Hitler ‘n’ all), teaching children to accept a belief system uncritically is still a form of abuse. I noted this earlier:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#255515

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