Not Now Never...You shouted ENOUGH with such authority...lmao You brutal forceful man you...lmao

I don't ignore you..I simply spend as much time as I can afford on someone like you....ZERO...lol

It's funny that I quote exact Chapter and Verse to prove what I say and yet you make these grand assertions from a position of believing in talking snakes, devils and demons. OUCH! I don't know how I can stand such a huge pressure from someone so superstitious as you.

Fairytales are just fairy tales you know. You need to study more.

Yep everything I have said happened to me...shock horror...I tell the truth. I have explained everything to you, it is you who just can't stop linking things to your talkative snake religion...lmao

I don't believe in fairytales so where do you go now?

You have to calm down NNN you don't make any sense because your believer base has been seriously fooled by too much religion and not enough thinking.

So are you waiting for the rapture?...lmao

I've just lost my post. But we are getting no where. We aren't out to stop people believing in the Holier than Thou concept. They hang on to their beliefs however weird and fanciful, because as Karl Marx relayed, 'Religion is an opiate of the people' People turn to religion because they fear there is no life after death. They believe Jesus will return to save them and burn all the non believers in hell. Personally I have read the Hebrew Bible, and I believe in what Dawkin's said, 'The worst horror story ever told'. But it made people centuries ago, mainly Jews, that they had to adhere to a strict rule of living their lives. Women were oppressed, well they were everywhere.

Religious conflict is behind a lot of wars, genocides, and you are either with them or against them.

People couldn't read, the Bible was written laboriously by monks. It's contents or interpretation conveyed to them by priests. And if you want to believe in what is written, you are only living in a make believe world, where the meek will inherit the earth. Well they won't, the cultures are ruled by the rich and powerful, and Australians do have welfare. Just enough to stop you starving. We are educated now, well I am, and I do not put any faith into a old book that has been translated and rewritten many times, adopted from the ancient Jews, and see anything that relates to present day, and true history. Would you believe in a book that told how to turn lead into gold.

People turned to religion when things are turning bad, but not in the 21st Century. Jesus was a Jew, and died a Jew, not a Christian. Governments go along with religious institutions, especially in America and the Bible belt. It suits their purpose, it controls the mob. So they can get on with their work of not revealing the truth of reality to other humans who are just neo-serfs. Here endeth the lesson, lol.

Religion gives people false hope in many ways, but if it gives them contentment with their lot, it is a good thing. Life is not easier, and many dreams not fulfilled. There is tragedy, and we have to adapt. If a priest or cleric can give you support in a time of mourning or desperation. Well let them, because our so called democratic government won't.

Firstly religious wars are definitely a terrible thing because they are simply based on untruths and both sides amazingly claim to have God on their side.

However, major disagreements shouldn't stop the truth being told.

That is why I always quote Chapter and Verse because it proves what I am saying is accurate.

Afterall it is the believers who believe God drowned every innocent baby babe still in the womb and child in the flood that never happened...NOT ME!

It is believers who believe God killed all the innocent firstborn babies, and children of all who loved in Egypt at the time except those who had the blood above their doors in the Passover that never happened... NOT ME!

Believers should STOP denigrating God with the lies they believe and spread about God. I know it is a complex thought and rare for you but it is you whop believes all the horror stories against God...NOT ME!

It's not like they follow Jesus or God anyway but in their heads they think they do....lmao

So it would be hard for me to be in a religious war when I am not religious...Just honest about what the Bible says.

That's what gets up NNN's nose he knows I will be proven right and he just can't take it.

His redfining of the Trinity was just another example of believers trying to twist things to justify the fact that they are wrong...lol

It doesn't bother me NNN...You can make up extra pieces to your fairytale any time you like...lol

One thing I didn't say regarding the supposed virgin birth was that Joseph may have been a good man who took on Mary in her pregnant state to protect her. Saying that she was pregnant by God may have been his way of protecting her from the laws against women that may have had her stoned to death.

Just know that if there is life after death you really can't believe Methane John's version because it is a load of codswallop. 144,000 virgin males...lmao What next!

Opine2, 144 virgin males, not heard that one before, lol.

What you haven't studied the lunacy of Revelation as dreamed up by John of Patmos on his methane highs?

All the loony religious love that story...It gives the men power to think that men rule and women only defile men.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand (144,000), having his Father's name written in their foreheads

Revelations 14:4 These are they which WERE NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Here look at it again...I have put it in the thread previously.

The believers will always try to manipulate this like Josephus did earlier but their position never holds up to scrutiny or proper study. Superstitions often fail those tests...lol

Again, that is why I deal with this topic of an afterlife the way I do.

These guys will run with people's experience modifying the evidence and the words used by people to manipulate everything to justify their religious beliefs.

You may have missed it earlier when I corrected NotNowNever earlier here - http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#254558

Trust me I have been down this road many times and they just can't be trusted with information.

That's why they can't be trusted with the Bible... They get it all wrong but crow that they know something when they don't!...lmao