Josephus, I agree, Most Jews discredit the Jesus story because information in the New Testament is incorrect. Jews have suffered for centuries at the hands of the Muslims and Christians. And yet Jesus was a Jew and died a Jew. He was one of theirs, and they dispute his memory of the second coming and he was the Jews messiah.

Anyway, it is interesting. My problem with religion period, is the fundamentalists, Scientology, Heavens Gate, Waco or the Davidians. And the new crackpot religions in the Bible belt of America. Mormons, J.W. Anglicans and Roman Catholic are the oldest, Salvation Army, Uniting Churches, and the New Community Churches that are springing up in the US.

But the Bible is not a good reflection of truth or history. Nor is it meant to be, or that is what the R.C say. Nor a science book.

I have little problem with established churches I did not mean to trade them off with the Scientologists, etc. Of course child abuse is not acceptable.

Josephus shouldn't you have just turned the other cheek? You failed...lmao

I know so much more than you Josephus...You aren't going to meet Jesus because you have blasphemed against God and Jesus your entire life with your beliefs. I pity you really!...lmao

So telling the truth and showing the actual verses doesn't provide any benefit to society but believing and spreading the lies that you do does?

See your religion has given you such a warped sense of morality...

So tell me Josephus...

Is Jesus God?

Are women unclean during their periods and do they defile men when they sleep with them?

Are you brave enough to answer?

WHY DO YOU BELIEVE Jesus is lying in

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? THERE IS NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD.

or

WAS JESUS LYING HERE?

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. YE HAVE NEVER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE."

Jesus states - No-one has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them...lmao

WAS JESUS LYING IN THE LORD'S PRAYER saying

Öur Father, Who art in heaven?

You believe God is in front of them teaching the prayer...lmao

WAS JOHN LYING HERE?

John 1:18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

That would include Moses and all the other liars...

Back to Bible Kindergarten for you...lmao

Proper Bible study must really upset your Pharisaical ways Josephus...lol

Op2, you are a poor soul, expecting others to believe you have found the answers. Jesus as human was not the type of God you imagine him. He was human [see Philippians 2: 5 - 11]. God is spirit, not flesh and bone. Our spirit is a reflection of the nature of the God we each personally believe. Our God is revealed by our character, attitudes, actions and the wisdom or lack thereof we apply to life and living in community. Jesus spirit reflected the image of God. Jesus never called anyone ceremonially unclean; that was a practise of Essenes, Zealots and Orthodox Jews. He touched to heal lepers and women with diseases. It is a pity you do not read the New Testament to see the claims made. GOD IS SPIRIT - revealed in our Universe!

Dear OP2,

I don't believe that any discussion should have the
attitude that "It's either my way or the highway!"
And that is why I feel that with that sort of an
attitude nothing productive can result. I have
no intention of playing umpire between competing
beliefs. Many people are convinced that theirs is
the one true faith and that all others are misguided,
superstitious, even wicked. Mr Thwackum, a character
in Henry Fielding's novel "Tom Jones," declares,
"When I mention religion, I mean the Christian
religion and not only the Christian religion, but
the Protestant religion; and not only the Protestant
religion, but the Church of England."

Many people are like Mr Thwackum, when they mention
religion, they have their own in mind.

Opposing viewpoints often turn into issues of right
and wrong because neither side is willing to
compromise their views. One has to be mentally
flexible to be able to move past this and for many
people that's difficult to do.

Once you can give up the righteousness of your
viewpoint and actually listen to what the other
person is saying (provided they're not being insulting)
then the closer you will be to having a collaborative
discussion.

However, with the tone of what's taking place here, I
can't see that happening - and I'm not interested in
arguments or insults.

Cheers.

Josephus...So we just want to play baby Jesus games again.

Mt. 5:17-18 “Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished”.

Well I'm still here on Earth even though you may be in fairyland...lol

So now study the laws in Leviticus 15:19-33

Lev 15:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying,

Lev 15:30 The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the CEREMONIAL IMPURITY caused by her bleeding.

So Jesus is saying that women are ceremonially unclean because he says the laws still apply...OOPS!

Why did you miss this? Was it deliberate?

OOPS! You are wrong again!

It's a pity you lie continually on every issue.

Your Catholic brothers sure believe Jesus is God...Are you an heretic?...lmao

http://www.catholic.org/clife/jesus/webelieve.php

I quote "Jesus Christ is truly God"... Sorry to burst your bubble, I'm sure you said you were a catholic somewhere.

That's why you guys say "God the father, God the Son, God the holy spirit" God the Father isn't spirit...

You are a wild heretic aren't you...lmao

Back to Bible Kindergarten again Josephus...

You have to stop rewriting the Bible just to try and win an argument.

I am teaching you so much...Can I send you an invoice?...lmao