So Josephus if it wasn't written down on the papers you have it can't be true? Is that your logic? Is that your educated wisdom? You don't know religions very well do you...lmao

Can you find the papers in the Churches that covered up child abuse?... Oh it wasn't written down so it can't be true?

Maybe the marriage was written down and kept from us by the religions as part as the oppression of women system within Christianity.

Was Mary undermined much by being called a prostitute for all those years? Is Christianity, sorry Paulianity dominated by men and does it oppress women?

DO RELIGIONS HAVE A HISTORY OF COVERING THINGS UP? WAKE UP!

The predominant Paulian Church in the early years became Catholic... Notice how men run the Catholic Church? Have they ever covered up anything for their own gain?

See how your belief gets in the way for your scholarship Josephus? You unscientifically and unscholarly discount the marriage totally because you haven't seen the document.

You haven't seen my birth certificate but I was born...lmao

So why were the disciples jealous of the way Jesus kissed Mary Josephus?

NNN before you go you still didn't answer the questions after being shown all the evidence honestly...

Is Jesus God?

Do you think that women are unclean during their periods and that they defile men?

They're easy questions so why are you just too scared to answer?

Pharisaical Paulians never answer the questions, they never accept the evidence when shown to them clearly and they always run away sulking when they are defeated by facts.

Please don't blame me when the Bible proves you 100% wrong...I didn't write it...lmao

Dear Paul,

Thank You for your comments. Prof. Barbara Thiering did not
intend to demean Jesus or Christianity. In her studies of the
Scrolls over a period of 20 years she became aware that the
gospels were written deliberately in a form containing two
levels of meaning: the surface level provides a simplified
and often symbolic description designed to satisfy those
who needed the supernatural as an element of their faith; and
the second level, concealed within, that depicted the actual
events and their real significance. The surface stories and
parables of the New Testament provide one account - yet the
real history of the life of Jesus is to be found beneath.

By stripping away the mystery from events and examining their
significance, we can discover a Jesus who is a real, human,
fallible figure. His courage, compassion and wisdom are of
timeless relevance and continues to be the wellspring of our
deepest and most powerful values.

In any case I do not wish to argue with anyone here on this
topic. I merely tried to broaden the discussion, but I can
see that it's not going to serve any productive purpose.

See you on another discussion.

The truth is always productive Foxy... Sorry that you don't realise that.

You were attacked immediately on Theiring's work that is what these people do.

I'm sorry that the truth makes so many people uncomfortable...I'm sorry that quoting the exact verses from the Bible upsets people.

So what do people want? The truth or more lies from the money stealing machine that is religion?

I was told the most horrific lies by believers when I was young and that manipulated my thinking. A girlfriend gave me a Bible, at my request, for my birthday and I committed the crime of the century..I read it!

I realised that religions and the religious are liars!

Sorry to be so truthful but it is the truth.

Luther broke away from the Catholics because of the money making lies. He broke away with his 95 theses after seeing Rome and the selling of indulgences by Pope Leo X and his corrupt followers to the families of people who were already dead, to fund the rebuilding of St. Peter's Basilica.

This happened on October 31 1517...They wanted him dead after that.

Even though Luther wanted the Bible to be followed properly he missed everything also. Once again a Bible scholar who failed at scholarship... It's almost universal.

So I come along and show the actual Chapter and Verse and what the Bible actually says.

OMG! I am such a terrible person... OMG! let the liars and indoctrinators rule!

No-one has ever seen most of the verses I show because religion blinds them totally. On all the internet I have never seen anyone go into the detail that I do.

Sorry if the truth offends...Be offended by religious lies...Not the truth!

AMAZING!

Foxy and Opine 2; Re I heard it from the author of The Seventh Scroll. I attended a lecture and book sale of his book. He was Jewish. He just said that he had researched his book, and quite honestly I can't remember the story line, I loaned the book and never got it back.

But I will get her book, as it is an interesting concept, that I have often wondered could be alternative ending to the Jesus story. If you shake the tree of knowledge with a blasphemous concept, one can expect other scholars and authors will take you on. And the religious bodies. But the period in which he lived was brutal, the Romans were brutal, and somehow I have a feeling that she is wrong. All Jesus' followers were eventually killed including St.Peter and St.Paul. Logically if Jesus' was alive, don't you think he would have also taken up the baton, and joined them. No - It would be too dangerous. I think I heard he ended up in Egypt. Doubt it, it was a hostile place too.

The author I spoke too, said there would be a big change in religion and the Catholic church in the next two years. Well it never happened.

Bush Bunny, I have Orthodox Jewish relations they invent stories to discredit the Jesus narrative. Letters written by Caesar to Pontius Pilate berate him for putting to death an innocent man. Pilate later committed suicide when threatened with arrest from Rome. Read the letters of Caesar to Pilate. Op2, you have nothing positive to offer to society, except misrepresentation and your own imagined self image. You are far from a reliable source of understanding and authority on theology.

Me blasphemous? It's the religions who undermine God totally and throw the blasphemous word around at others.

Their whole system is a blasphemy.

They are the ones lying about the flood that never happened and accusing God of drowning every baby and child on the planet...NOT ME!

They are ones lying about God murdering all the innocent babies, children and babes still in the womb in the Passover that never happened...Not me!

It is them who

- would rather believe the Psychopaths, Manic depressives and liars that wrote the Bible... Not me!

- who have allowed the persecition and oppression of women based on idiots Moses and Paul that still continue today...Not me!

- who have raised the Psychopathic murderous so called Bible heroes to
that status ignoring the facts that are in plain sight in the Bible....Not me!

- believe and sell the lies that GOD condoned of and sometimes committed infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, incest, Mosaic Law - (Sharia Law), stoning, slavery , oppression of women and other atrocities!

- who promoted Jesus to God...Not me!

See the proof is in what they believe...They are the blasphemers and defilers of Jesus' teachings. It is them who are the Pharisees! Not me!

My source document is The Bible...It proves them to be liars!

You will note I post Chapter and Verse to prove what I am saying is correct. They don't!

Sadly for them my Bible knowledge is superior to theirs and I will prove them wrong just about every time.

Bible scholars aren't true scholars...They are usually indoctrinated souls trying to prove their religions correct despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I am showing that evidence loudly and they can't take it...lmao

Aint proper Bible study fun?...lmao