"A GREENS-led delegation is out to destroy the kangaroo meat industry as it lobbies key European decision-makers, a senior federal government minister says.

Greens senator Lee Rhiannon is in Brussels to discuss with European Parliament members what she terms the “major risk” culling and harvesting poses to the world’s largest marsupials.

About five million roos were harvested in the three years to 2015 from a population of about 45 million, according to government data.

But the trip has been slammed by Federal Agriculture Minister David Littleproud and an Australian National University wildlife researcher.

“It’s absolutely disgusting that she would go over there and try and destroy the kangaroo industry that has huge potential for jobs in regional Australia,” Mr Littleproud told reporters today.

“They are out there propagating false information.”

//Greens senator Lee Rhiannon is in Brussels to discuss with European Parliament members what she terms the “major risk” culling and harvesting poses to the world’s largest marsupials.//

Is she mental? The more kangaroo people eat, the less of other types of meat they eat. Does she not realise that clearing native vegetation to make way for pasture is bad for the environment? Isn't that exactly what hippies are always whinging about happening to the Amazon? I guess it doesn't matter if it's not foreign rainforests or old-growth Tasmanian forests being felled. Daft old battleaxe needs to learn a thing or two about ecology.

The Greens want to wreck everything. They were trying to 'wreck the joint' well before some mad feminist and the media coined that phrase. They are probably behind the nutters trying to get rid of horse-drawn carriages in Melbourne, drawn by not horses, but buy "non-human animals", we people being 'human animals', supposedly.

one in ten vote for the marxist.

The leading gunnie in NSW was caught clearing protected wombats from his property. NSW Shooters and Hooters politician Robert Borsak admitted shooting eight endangered elephants in Africa. Think these grubs would protect the environment? No way, look at their track record, it is as clear as the damage they do hooning through the bush in their 4WD's, taking pot shots at everything in sight! Agree Issy?

Paul,

A pathetic attempt at a diversion, let's talk about Rhiannon and Australian jobs.

//NSW Shooters and Hooters politician Robert Borsak admitted shooting eight endangered elephants in Africa.//

Kangaroos are a long way from being endangered, and there's good eating on the buggers. Pretty much all of the environmentalists I've heard say that eating kangaroos is more environmentally friendly than conventional livestock farming, with the exception of Ms. Rhiannon.

http://theconversation.com/eat-locals-swapping-sheep-and-cows-for-kangaroos-and-camels-could-help-our-environment-57349

It would seem that she is either not in possession of all the facts, or not in possession of all her marbles. Harvesting kangaroos is a good idea which stands to benefit the environment, the sort of thing that the Greens should be getting right behind - pulling silly stunts like this is what turns off voters like me and pushes them towards Labor. Let us hope that if the Batman dons a green cape on the 17th of March, it's just to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.

As expected vested interests are out there with their supportive media mouth pieces attacking anyone who would dare to have the temerity to expose their grubby little industry.

I do not oppose the proper management of kangaroos, what is questioned is how well is the government code being adhered to, and are kangaroos being humanly killed in correct numbers. It seems its wrong to ask questions of those who have something to hide. The end user has a right to all available information, not just a load of propaganda from the likes of the NFF.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-06/kangaroo-film-beat-up-industry-says/9517506

//As expected vested interests are out there with their supportive media mouth pieces attacking anyone who would dare to have the temerity to expose their grubby little industry.//

It's not grubby at all. It's a clean, green, eco-friendly little inudstry. Why does that bother hippies so much for god's sake? (rhetorical)

//are kangaroos being humanly killed in correct numbers.//

"The animal activist movie suggests kangaroos are a "disappearing resource", and shows footage of the animals being shot en masse and taking bullets to the head."

"This is a story about one of the world's great icons and the deep, dark secret the kangaroo is getting slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands in the middle of the night"

Well if they're 'taking bullets to the head' then yes, they are being humanely killed. And presumably 'humanly', unless the hunters have been infiltrated by a Terminator sent back to take out a kangaroo which will one day save John Connor's life. In which part of their anatomy do you feel they should be shot in order to dispatch them as swiftly and humanely as possible? (not rhetorical)

And if they're being killed 'by the hundreds of thousands' then yes, they are being killed in the correct numbers. Kangaroo population is estimated to be about 4.5-5 x 10^7. Apparently this constitutes a 'disappearing resource', XD. Sustainable use quotas - which are calculated by Government and science organisations; presumably by people that, unlike most hippies, are actually trained in the science of ecology - are typically about 10-20% of estimated roo population. But it's rare when actual culling reaches even 35% of the allowed quota. So plugging those figures into the calculator, we get a low value of 1.575 x 10^6 and a high value 3.5 x 10^6

Personally I would call that 'millions' rather than 'hundreds of thousands', but whatever. The point is that hundreds of thousands of roos being shot is well within the bounds of sustainable use quotas and whilst it seems like a vast and shocking figure to idiot hippies, it's pretty meaningless when just quoted as an absolute figure and not compared with roo populations. And it's not some 'deep, dark secret'.

I wonder how many extra sheep and cows we'd have to kill to make up for the meat shortfall if we stopped shooting roos? (rhetorical)

Oh, and why does the time of day at which the roos are being shot matter? (not rhetorical)

"It attempts to provide balance with a shooter talking about the industry code of conduct"

What, no ecologists to put the numbers in perspective and point out that the vast body of expert opinion considers those numbers sustainable? (rhetorical)

"A error-ridden load of crap that will appeal only to PETArds and the easily misled."
-3 out of 5 stars.

I'll be having a roo burger for my lunch and roo bolognese for my dinner just to spite idiot hippies.

Toni, you can scoff all you like, and carry on as you are. Being one total enlightened on this matter, you can thunder away as you wish, "having a roo burger for (your) lunch and roo bolognese for (your) dinner just to spite idiot hippies" I suggest you do it in Martin Place at midday just to highlight the goodness of it all. Burn an effigy of Lee Rhiannon if you feel it will get you on the 6 o'clock news.

What I oppose is not the kangaroo industry, but those that will not countenance any criticisms or alternate opinion. There was a similar reaction when criticism of live cattle export to Indonesia was first raised. How dare you threaten Aussie jobs, all is well behind the curtain of secrecy, so vested interest was quick to say, it was not.

BTW, the only ones who like roo meat are dogs and yuppies, and I'm not sure about the yuppies. The stuff stinks when you cook it.

//What I oppose is not the kangaroo industry, but those that will not countenance any criticisms or alternate opinion.//

So people rather like yourself then?

//BTW, the only ones who like roo meat are dogs and yuppies, and I'm not sure about the yuppies.//

Urban Greens criticising people for having yuppie eating habits? That's priceless. XD

Roo mince is about as cheap as it gets, part of the reason I like it. I reckon I could feed myself quite well for the better part of a week for the price of a single kale and smashed avocado sandwich from the sort of eateries that your mob frequent.

//The stuff stinks when you cook it.//

I think you're cooking it wrong, Paul. When it turns black and starts to smoke you're meant to take it off. Anyway, it tastes better than the crap you urban Greens like.

Paul,

"NSW Shooters and Hooters politician Robert Borsak admitted shooting eight endangered elephants in Africa."

He didn't, what he admitted to was shooting elephants under local management plans, where surplus/old bulls are culled under strict control.
The money that Borsak, and others, pay for the privilege goes into Government funds and goes some way towards funding the armed Rangers who patrol the reserves to deter poachers.

All that Robert did was contribute to the conservation of the local animals.

Of course, you and the Greens, in general, know all this but that doesn't stop you from peddling misinformation.

Toni Lavis,
Professional roo shooters head shoot them, otherwise the processors will not accept them. The shooters use precision rifles capable of hitting a 10c piece at one hundred meters or better. Calibers like 22/250.

They are shot at night because they are nocturnal animals, The roos spend their days laying around in the shade of the bush. Seldom see many around during the day.

"where surplus/old bulls are culled" Issy keep out of Africa!

champions at culling the unborn children in wombs and violently opposed to eating animals.Who else but the Greens.

runner, will your church be compensating its pedophile victims? Or are you keeping your head in the sand on that one.

Paul,

"where surplus/old bulls are culled" Issy keep out of Africa!"

I won't try to answer that!!

//They are shot at night because they are nocturnal animals, The roos spend their days laying around in the shade of the bush. Seldom see many around during the day.//

I've seen plenty that are quite active during the day... they seem to be most active around dawn and dusk (is there a special word for that?), but still quite alert during the day. That's Eastern Greys, at any rate.

And after some googling to sate my curiosity, I have learned a brand new word: crepuscular, which refers to animals that are most active during twilight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crepuscular_animal

That sounds like a better description roos than nocturnal or diurnal.

Paul, I've still yet to hear your suggestion as to which part of their anatomy roos should be shot in to dispatch as swiftly and humanely as possible. What's the matter, cat got your tongue? That's not like you, Paul. Feeling OK?

'runner, will your church be compensating its pedophile victims? Or are you keeping your head in the sand on that one.' wow Paul a Green who has a conscience and knows pedophile is wrong. Amazing. It takes hatred of the church to arouse your conscience. Then again you demonstrate you could not care less about epidemic sexual abuse in aboriginal communities so it really is about sides is't paul.

Toni Lavis,
If you see some roos during daylight hours, it will be nothing compared to the number there after dark proper. Some may begin to venture out a bit early and there may be a few stragglers after dawn. They will move further out as the night progresses. Then start to return to their cover about dawn.

Something else you may not know. If you are looking for roos wait till after dark and visit the paddocks the owner has shut up (removed stock) to promote grass growth. Fences are just an obstacle for roos and they much prefer fresh feed. Roadsides attract roos because stock do not graze it and there is better growth due to runoff from the bitumen.

Vehicle damage, from roos, is very high in and around Canberra hence the research into many aspects relating to roos. Remember the government spent millions researching the little black bush flies because the Canberrans did not like them. We got a benefit of less flies and we may get some benefit from the roo research, eventually.

Toni, did you ask me that question. Sorry if I missed it, I have no problem with the answer, which Banjo has already supplied.
"Professional roo shooters head shoot them, otherwise the processors will not accept them."

Toni, you seem to be a little confused as to my position on the Kangaroo Industry. I do not oppose the sustainable exploration of kangaroos. What I said was there is room for alternative opinions as to the merits of the industry as it now operates. This film, which I have not seen, offers some alternative which all I am saying is, people have a right to express that alternative opinion. I am always suspicious of those who react to criticism with howls of "how dare you question me!" as is evident in this case, then I become very suspicious that maybe all is not rosy in the garden.

"Anyway, it tastes better than the crap you urban Greens like." AND what is wrong with a 'Vegetarian Venison Shish Kebab on a Organic Skewer with a Dill Sauce' very reasonably priced at $29 off the blackboard menu at the Cafe De Latte in Newtown. I always feel I am doing my bit for the endangered Pandas of Ethiopia every time I have one. How about you?

There is just a mite of difference between having an alternative opinion and actively sabotaging one of one's countries industries.

//What I said was there is room for alternative opinions as to the merits of the industry as it now operates.//

Unfortunately this particular piece of propaganda isn't just offering alternative opinions, it's promulgating 'alternative facts'. I take a dim view of film-makers telling outright lies to people poor dumb Muricans and Europeans who don't know any better and might be hoodwinked by this work of fiction.

If you have to lie to people in order to dissuade them from eating roo, it suggests that it's because there are no persuasive factual arguments against doing so.

//This film, which I have not seen, offers some alternative which all I am saying is, people have a right to express that alternative opinion.//

Do they have a right to invent their own 'alternative facts' if it's supposed to be non-fiction? Or is this one of those movies that is 'based on a true story', i.e. a complete load of cobblers from opening credits to end credits?

//I am always suspicious of those who react to criticism with howls of "how dare you question me!" as is evident in this case//

Yes, how dare I question Comrade Rhiannon or lying liars and the lies they tell. Obviously those particular people should be above criticism. Naughty Toni.

//what is wrong with a 'Vegetarian Venison Shish Kebab on a Organic Skewer with a Dill Sauce'//

Either the venison or the vegetarian - it can be one or the other, but not both. Unless it's a combination meat kebab, featuring venison and the flesh of dead vegetarians. That would be OK, albeit illegal.

Toni, have you seen the film in question, now answer truthfully.

Toni, do you have any idea how many wild pandas there are left in Ethiopia? I bet you don't have a clue.

//Toni, do you have any idea how many wild pandas there are left in Ethiopia?//

Red or giant?

They've done this before with kangaroos. They've done it with mulesing. Bit of a din from (mainly) frustrated, unattractive women, and it was all over. No harm to Australian industry or exports. Greens have yet to realise that most people are just not into them.

Actually, many young people are.

I stated on another discussion that when voters
are unhappy with the major parties they are
looking to giving their vote to someone else.
Enter the Greens.

Toni, I take it from your lack of a response to <<Toni, have you seen the film in question, now answer truthfully.>> Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 March 2018 11:23:15 AM. I know you read the post as you responded to the second part 35 minutes later.
That the truthful answer is NO, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM, but I base my hysterical rage on the hearsay and opinions of others. If, and I suspect that is the case, all I can say is fan-f'n-tastic on your part. Credibility ZERO.
I could say it is the most factual and truth film on the subject ever made. AND if I ever actually get to see it, in the flesh, it will no doubt confirm my opinion.

Too late now to cloud the issue with a little white lie.

I'll ask, has anyone slse who has posted seen the film in question in its entity? A simple yes/no is all that is required. Remember what put Toni off, now answer truthfully.

Paul,

"I'll ask, has anyone slse who has posted seen the film in question in its entity?"

Yes, I have.

//Toni, I take it from your lack of a response to <<Toni, have you seen the film in question, now answer truthfully.>>...
That the truthful answer is NO, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE FILM//

You're welcome to assume whatever you like, Paul, but since it appears you've already made up your mind then you've got me coming and going. Because if I say 'no' then you'll go 'ah, gotcha!' and if I say 'yes' you'll simply accuse me of lying (islamophobes are known to employ a similar line of reasoning)...

Alas, I am undone! [sarcasm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ZwJiK0fJ0

//Too late now to cloud the issue with a little white lie.//

No, it would seem not... apparently I have underestimated you, Paul. I had no idea I was dealing with a summa cum laude graduate of the Amazing Phanto Academy for Mind-Reading.

Toni, I have no need to assume, you are absolutely correct I did in fact take letters at the Amazing Phanto Academy for Mind-Reading, how did you know? You must have read my mind. Majoring in Transcendental Telepathic Communications, with a side order of fries, you are familiar with the finer aspects of TTC, are you not. I am able to ascertain with a one hundred percent degree of certainty that you have, like me, NOT SEEN THE FILM.

"islamophobes" and what is wrong with having a little phobia! I once had a phobia, of having a phobia. Fortunately the Ramneshi at the above mentioned school of enlightenment (academy) was able to cure me of my phobia of having a phobia, he convinced me it was simply a phobia. The Ramneshi was able to replace my phobia of having a phobia with more reasonable phobias, like a fear of cats, dogs, budgies, other people, confined spaces, open spaces, night, day, rain, sunshine, eating, not eating, sleeping, not sleeping etc etc all much more reasonable phobias. I am now completely cured of my original phobia, all thanks to the good work of the Ramneshi. What about you, do you have a phobia of watching films? I don't.

//I am able to ascertain with a one hundred percent degree of certainty that you have, like me, NOT SEEN THE FILM.//

See, this is what happens when people get their qualifications from dodgy websites instead of studying properly because they've cooked their brains with too much pot. No doubt you're also fully 'qualified' in crystal healing and aura reading.

You can't read minds, Paul, no matter what your drug (ab)use might lead you to believe.

//I have no need to assume//

Yeah you do. And do you know what happens when you assume, Paul?

http://xkcd.com/1339/

Now, since the fact that you've gone full retard (never go full retard, Paul) strongly suggests that you've run out of any arguments to defend your beloved bullsh!t propaganda piece, perhaps we could get to the bottom of this Ethiopian panda business that you've been so strenuously avoiding.

Red or giant, Paul?

//What about you, do you have a phobia of watching films?//

No, I have an extensive collection of home movies of me bangin' your missus. Watch 'em all the time.

Excellent Toni, excellent! "I have an extensive collection of home movies of me bangin' your missus. Watch 'em all the time." Can you send them around for me, I might pick up some pointers watching those 10 second flicks of you in action. The kids and I love family entertainment, your "G" rated philandering should be a hoot! Better than watching all those kangaroos procreating, as some here like to do.
I must have a word to my misses, he promised to be only faithful to me, and me alone, excluding the 49'ers football team of course. I will demand to know; "DONALD! what have you been up to?"