Is Mise,

Utter rot?

Do tell.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

Dear Foxy,

The problem now is that as our gun laws are being eroded and a gun culture is being promoted by selfish people like Is Mise that gun crime is starting to rapidly escalate. as Is Mise points out there are now more guns in this country that there was at the time of Port Arthur. Sure they are not of the type of weaponry that caused so much damage in Tasmania or in Hoddle Street but the influx of guns and gun ownership is directly impacting the number of gun offenses which a climbing alarmingly year after year.

Firearm offences in Victoria had been steadily dropping to a low of 1980 in 2011. It climbed to 2442 in 2012. 3230 in 2013. 4091 in 2014. 4074 in 2015. In 2016 it hit an incredible 4947, an increase of 150% in 5 years.

Gunshot injuries have followed a similar trajectory. In 2011 there were 15 and this had doubled by 2016 to 31. Gun homicides fell to a low of 4 in 2006 but in the following years the average has been twice that.

People like Is Mise have to bear responsibility for those slain Australians who would otherwise be alive without the gun lobby interfering in our politics.

Pathetic, selfish people.

Foxy,

Yes, utter rot!!
[with ! marks]

See: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/fact-check-gun-homicides-and-suicides-john-howard-port-arthur/7254880

and note, as you read it, that Sydney University partly relies on Philip Alpers, who has no academic qualifications whatsoever and has made a career out of creating controversy.

Dear Steele,

Very few sane people would argue that there has
been at least some minimal benefit of our gun
reform laws. They strongly contributed to reducing
the number of guns that are available to Australians
and it would be unfortunate if things were to change
here along the lines of the US. Our country has not had
another large casualty mass shooting since. We know that
other countries in response to one mass shooting have
been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass
shootings. One reason the US can't emulate Australia or
any other country is purely political. American gun rights
advocates say this kind of confiscation that we had here in
Australia would prompt a civil war in the US. Having lived
and worked in the US for close to ten years - I believe them.

I don't want this to happen here in Australia.

Is Mise,

I have decided to stop reading your posts.
I don't need to deal with any more irrationality.
There's too much toxicity in the world as it is
and encouraging someone who wants to bring more
guns into our society is not something that anyone
of us should be doing.

Cheers.

Foxy,

"... someone who wants to bring more
guns into our society is not something that anyone
of us should be doing."

Where have I ever advocated that?

Steele,

"People like Is Mise have to bear responsibility for those slain Australians who would otherwise be alive without the gun lobby interfering in our politics"

Do tell.

The SF&F Party have six elected representatives in Australian Parliaments, that's hardly interfering in politics, that's being a legitimate part of politics.

Just what sort of guns have been used in these shootings?
What is the breakdown of ethnic group involvement?
How many of the perpetrators were licenced firearm holders?
How many of the firearms used were registered?

Having deeply researched this, I'm sure you'll supply the answers.

It's not a ban on political donations by Australia's public enemies that is required, it's public exposure of their money trail.

Surprisingly it's the Yank NRA's own spokesman on this thread who posted the link at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/fact-check-gun-homicides-and-suicides-john-howard-port-arthur/7254880 which contains graphs clearly showing the decline in gun deaths following the Howard reforms.

The Yank NRA didn't help its drive for restored gun anarchy in Australia by drawing attention to the fact check which showed this welcome decline. Pettifogging diversionary reference to details of types of weapons etc. which have brought to America a 1.74 million-death holocaust since World War II are of no more value than David Irving's attempts to dismiss Auschwitz with arguments about gas oven design.

The best advice I can think of was given by President Truman in the late 1940s: "When a finger appears under the door, stamp on it or it'll be followed by a hand at your throat."

There's a gunnie finger entering under Australia's door.