SteeleR, we're all still waiting.

Dear ALTRAV,

What the hell is this?

“Don't bother replying with your slander and abusive attitude until you've answered my questions.”

I have been perfectly faithful in reproducing your own style back at you and if you feel this was abusive then you had better take a good hard look at yourself son.

By the way I hardly think there are any others waiting except for yourself.

What would you like? I can tell you of the number of businesses I have owned or the companies I have been a director of. Sure they gave others employment and at least one contributed to industry. My main business involved structural installations on hundreds of both residential and commercial buildings. So I could make the claim I have helped build the housing stock of Australia if I wanted to but that would be just idiotic. I was in it for the buck not with some falsely claimed interest in building this nation up as you are so dishonestly attempting to do. Health reasons saw me get out of nearly all of them.

The stuff I am most proud of is what I have managed to achieve outside of scrambling for profit. Done on my own time without the expectation of any remuneration or benefit. Something you probably wouldn't know much about.

And I don't get why you think I am picking on Italians. I could have just as easily constructed the same type of argument for any minority as you did. All I was doing was shining a light on how shallow and inane you were being. The very fact that you got your knickers in a knot speaks volumes.

Using words like abos because you were called a wog is immature and petulant. I have called you child like before and the description still holds.

Now we were having such fun before you sooked up so perhaps we can get back to that.

Hi Steele,

When I was working in factories in the sixties and seventies, looking for the revolutionary working class, the best workers - often the only workers below foreman-level - were the Greeks and Italians. Yugoslavs as well. They could always work me under the table, no trouble. Occasionally there might be another Anglo-Aust worker, but he was usually the union man, doing the company's bidding on things like weight limits. In other words, a total bludger and turd. The tradespeople were usually Aussies, though. Usually the foremen, supervisors and managers were Anglo-Aussies or Pommies, people who had successfully got away from hard work.

I look back on my Greek and Italian work-mates with great affection. I can't remember the names of other Aussies.

Joe

SteelR, I'm impressed. Can you give us the names of some of these companies you've owned and been a director of? We may have dealt with them so it would go a long way to putting you in a particular bracket in the greater scheme of things. It will certainly go a long way to understanding you a lot better or where your coming from on certain issues.

Dear ALTRAV,

Give away personal details on an open forum with more than its fair share of nutters isn't something any half way intelligent individual would do.

Perhaps you would like to share your details as you are one who is making the claim that you and your father have helped build this country with your contributions. I always took them with a grain of salt anyway but if you want to lay them out I'm not stopping you.

Dear Loudmouth,

I'm not sure where you think I might have said they were not hard working, I've employed quite a number of nationalities and there were good and bad, both workers and slackers, in all of them. Probably my most productive were Vietnamese but they too could be hit or miss. It all comes down to the individual.

Here is the difference, ALTRAV is making sweeping statements about minority groups and Australians in general. All I have done is created a narrative using his own posts as a template and he has kicked up. I don't have an issue with Italians or any other nationality, this is all to make a point which I think was done quite well. The rest is all down to him.

SteelR, finally we get to the bottom of your angst. So you obviously don't agree with my comments on how the abo's are given rights and privileges that the other Australians don't get. I will exclude myself from being an Australian and therefore not a beneficiary of this particular topic as I am simply an observer, apparently. This topic is about abo's and self governance, plain and simple. I am in the negative because I feel, even as an observer, that the abo's are getting far too much money and assistance but they are not doing their bit. So I am not surprised if the majority of Australians are fed up and are saying enough is enough. That's what I was saying from the start, as an observer of course, as I'm not an Aussie and therefore have no right to comment on such matters, obviously. (your words)