//I am retelling this as a means for anyone willing to test it out on their own.//

I have.

//If you find a friend who isn't Christian, then later on becomes Christian. Notice their behavior. See if it changes for the better or for the worse.//

I've done, that too.

I neither my case nor my friend's case did Christianity make us better people. Your results were not replicated; the experimental data does not support your hypothesis.

// If any of you have some book titles to look up on any of the three subjects that'll help me get started. I'll write them down and see what I can find.//

'God is Not Great' by Christopher Hitchens

That should get you started. It's a meticulously researched book and covers more than just Christianity.

//I know you don't want to hear this, but I have found God.//

Me too.

//This is not a question for me any more.//

Same here.

//But I don't need any more proof to find [It].//

Ditto.

//You do though.//

Right back atcha, buddy.

//Most of you have no idea that [It] is real.//

Christ, how many times do I have to go over this?

I BELIEVE IN GOD!

Do you realise how bloody daft you sound when you just sit their parroting 'You need to believe in God' over and over like a stuck record, even after people have explained to you for about the bazillionth time that they do, when what you obviously want to say is 'You need to stop worshipping your heathen Gods and join my church'.

But you still haven't explained why. Because if people can obtain meaning and fulfilment from your religion, what is stopping them from obtaining it from a different religion?

//warn a friend who is becoming a Christian if they start going in that direction.//

You've started going in that direction, NNS.

//There is too much fog. Too much mist. Too much misdirection and philosophy that leads nowhere. But when someone comes to give a path everyone complains. "How can you say you know the truth?" They lament. "Don't you know the truth is relative, and there are no lies, just different scopes of knowing?" Yet in their arguing, as with your own, they critize the person who gives a streight answer, and holds true to the solid foundation they have. They give a criticism of that path while deceiving themselves that they are actually tollerent of any path.

Jesus said that He is the light of the world, and He told His followers to be the salt and the light of the world. To do that we Christians must stick by Jesus. Not be wavering in compromise to another god who holds no light.//

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k

You know, for a bloke who's so keen on constantly moaning about how everyone's always hating on his religion, you're awfully quick to be pissing all over other people's beliefs.

Isn't hypocrisy a sin? Didn't Jesus have something to say about treating others the way you'd like to be treated? If you wouldn't be happy to have your God reduced to a suspension of small water droplets in air, who holds only darkness.... don't turn around and do it to your neighbour. Simple as that. After all, it's not very Christian, is it? When was the last time you met a priest who said that Christians should treat their neighbours like that?

Seems like you've got a lot to learn about respecting other people's beliefs. And just life in general. And since we both in live in pluralist societies with a Consitutional right to freedom of belief where you are going to encounter people of other faiths, it's a lesson worth learning if you want to be able to get along with other people and not leave them that with the impression that you're a complete ass.

No AJ, I'm not following you down the rabbit-hole this time (or hopefully never again). Its plain what happened. I was talking about why agnosticism isn't a subset of atheism and since you couldn't refute that based on the defintions you substitute other terms and declare victory. Then when I point it out you go into your SOP and start muddying the water - long posts, false trails (define goalposts), copious irrelevant links to previous posts. I'm not playing. The original exchange stands - you changed the terms because it suited your purposes.

Just like disprove/discredit. Again there you went into a great muddying exercise - oh they're the same oh I agree disproven is better, oh I usually say disproven (with vaguely relevant links), demands that I define 'the deity', attempts to saying disproving one deity means disproving all, demands to define 'good'. And where did we end up? Well with you agreeing that indeed one type of deity can be disproven but that that doesn't disprove 'the deity' since it might be different to the one discredited. Exactly my original point. But to get there we had to go through innumerable posts and endless false trails all designed to so muddy the waters as to allow you to claim that your original assertions weren't wrong (that God could be disproven) and to hide the fact that you had tried to change the original terms. Such that when I point out that you do it regularly, you demand that I prove it knowing that there is now a labyrinth of your false claims that I'd have to negotiate to demonstrate the obvious.

So no, I ain't going there. You tried to change the terms to ones that hid your error just as you tried to change the terms from disproven to discredited or changed the terms of the great fallacy debate from misuse to misidentify just as.....

Henceforth I'm not going to help you muddy the waters. You're on your own there.

Dear NNS,

We live in a world of wonders. and science tells us how wonderful it is. We can look at the sky and reflect on the billions of stars and accompanying planets. Astronomers have found out about the appearance growth and decay of various celestial bodies. In all those bodies I am sure that some contain life.

We have learned about the history of life. The cells of our bodies are each colonies of what were independent organisms but have entered into a permanent symbiotic arrangement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis will tell you about it.

Humans have gone to the moon and will probably go to Mars and beyond.

We have learned so much, and in this world of wonders there is so much to learn.

However, you want us to examine your silly. primitive superstition. UGH!

Dear Not_Now.Soon,

You asked me: "What do you offer? Any way is good as long as it is the way a person travels?"

I never said that. While eventually everyone will reach God, each individual has their own shortest path leading from WHERE THEY ARE to God. Say FIGURATIVELY that Christian people stand to the south-west of God, then the Christian path would tell them: "Go North-East", but telling that to someone who is already placed north-east of God, would only drive them further away!

Yes, you have a direction to follow. By all means do follow it, but do not assume that the same direction is correct for other people.

So what I offer to you, as I always had, is to keep your Christian faith and practices. What I also offer is some general insight about religion and spiritual principles. I do not attempt to offer any individual paths, certainly not to strangers online whom I don't know where they are coming from.

I recommend that people find their own spiritual path, using a competent teacher if they can find one with whom they have personal rapport. I recommend that people choose their own god(s), if any, which they are most inspired from, comfortable with and attracted to, to aid them on their way to God: the road to God is difficult and treacherous enough, so the last burden one needs is to carry with them the extra baggage of god(s) which they do not like and admire - nay they would just drop them at the first smallest hurdle.

While you might experience a fog at this time, please refrain from projecting that "fog" on others. Everyone feels foggy occasionally, but at other times our path is clear.

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«I would invite you to seek God too.»

I have been doing so all my life - and previously too.

«To Seek God through Jesus»

So you are asking me to change course, follow a path that is not my own, thus increase my sin. This path of Christianity may suit you, it probably also suited the Jews of Jesus' time, who were misled into dark alleys by both their priests and Pharisees, so Jesus needed to come and save them, but I come from a very different place, so how dare you attempt to divert people away from God?

«through prayer, and through study the f the bible»

Prayer is always good. As for the bible, I think that I know it quite well, but do you know how many volumes of scripture, Upanishads, Vedas and more, are still waiting on my shelf to be read? So there are priorities.

«To be able to know God within their own lifetime. Not Know Him like Jesus knows Him. But know Him still well enough.»

Please do not despair: Is this all you aspire to? All you wish for yourself and others?
I tell you, if you seriously want God, if you are one-pointed and desperate enough, then reject the world and you can reach and unite with God in this very lifetime. Your body is much younger than mine, so you have the time!

«Hope that if God ever calls out you can say "yes Lord, here I am." As many of the prophets had done and then did as they were instructed.»

I hope so too, thank you.

«Seek Jim because it is worth while to do so.»

Sorry, but I will not seek Jim or any other person. I want God and God alone.
Some more spell-checking can go a long way in expressing your love and respect for God.