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Second clarification. Christian love. Loving God helps you become a better person then you were before. On a comparison of you verses other people it does not mean you are better then anyone else, or worse then anyone else. Only better then you yourself were before. Some even see this as a continual thing. Growing to be a better person as a person matures in their faith. Next section...
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I do not mean that your love is weak, that you are not moral, or can not love. But that with God, He will make you stronger in the things that matter. Including our love for one another, and for our neighbors.

I see in these conversations, debates against religion, against believers, and against God as a whole. It is a conversation that seeps into other conversations regularly. It's worth talking about, so why not talk about it here.

God loves you. Otherwise He would not have sent Jesus here for your sake and mine. No, if He did not love you, He would not leave believers here to be mocked, chided, or even killed in the most horrible ways. But He has left those He's called here to be a beacon of light for those who do not know Him.

I hope you find Him if you haven't already. :)
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That's the end of the OP I started this conversation with. There is still a few more clarifications to be handed out though

Third clarification. History is not one sided against Christianity. There are currently Christians being killed for just being Christians. They are not missionaries going to a land to conquer it. They are people in their own lands that are being killed because Christianity is not tolerated. People are being killed today, and have been having the same issue throughout the history of the church.

I will look into the history of the church. As best that I can anyways. There are at least three points to look at. Theology, and splits between the church. Abuses made by the people in the church (leaders or otherwise). And abuses given to the people in the church. These have been on my mind to do for sometime now. If any of you have some book titles to look up on any of the three subjects that'll help me get started. I'll write them down and see what I can find.

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Forth clarification. I know you don't want to hear this, but I have found God. This is not a question for me any more. But I don't need any more proof to find Him. You do though. Most of you have no idea that He is real. Perhaps that wouldn't change anything anyways and you'd still hate Him for the same reasons that you now don't believe in Him. But He is real, and this recap is still an attempt to allow you to see on your own if He is real or not. Seek Him and see if you find Him. Even if you don't know if you find Him or not, observe yourself by your own known faults and see if that can be counted as evidence to something helping you while you sought God.

If for whatever reason you can not bring yourself to try, then perhaps in your life you will see someone else become a Christian, and you can observe how they mature. See if they become better then they were before.

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Last clarification. A warning. Although I believe knowing God is good for you, there is one thing to keep in mind. There are many philosophies and perspectives in the mists of Christians that it can be hard to discern what is Christian by belief, or what is Christian culture by exposure but not part of the teachings of the bible. This is especially evident when people become both religious and political. Fellowship is important and can strengthen your faith. But don't let yourselves become hateful, nor your friends that become Christians become hateful.

Jesus said once that if you say you follow Him but hate your brother or sister (or anyone) then you are a liar, and are not part of Jesus's flock. Keep that in mind because as it is with all groups of people, there are judgments, both for those within the same group of people, and judgments towards other groups of people. Hatred for those judged negatively is common enough everywhere. Christianity has the same hurdle. Keep that in mind if you seek God, or warn a friend who is becoming a Christian if they start going in that direction.

Dear Not_Now.Soon,

Having information ABOUT God does not amount to knowing God.

«Second clarification. Christian love. Loving God helps you become a better person then you were before.»

Certainly, loving God helps you become a better person, but why do you call it "Christian love"? Have people not loved God (and each other) before Christ was born on earth? and will people stop loving God in say, 100,000 years once Christ is no longer remembered?

Consider this: given that God loves you and everyone, would He send only one Saviour/Shepard at a particular time in the history of a particular planet, so it's tough luck for all others who miss the gospel train because they lived before, after or away?

Sorry, but in the way you present your posts, your top priority seems to get people to join your specific flock, rather than to know God.

"Communism is a form of Left-wingism, just as strong atheism is a form of atheism. Therefore, while one can be a left-winger without being a communist, one cannot be a communist without being a left-winger; likewise, while one could be an atheist without being a strong atheist, one cannot be a strong atheist without being an atheist."

We were talking about atheism v. agnosticism. Suddenly he's on about strong atheism and (not so strong?) atheism. Goalposts moved again. Every time he talks himself into a corner.

It happens so often I'm not even sure the poor bugger is aware that he's doing it. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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no, I lie...it is funny.