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Love the Lord with all your heart.

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Dear David,

Just because some idiot pretends to be a "Christian", does it mean that s/he is indeed a Christian? Does it mean that their bloody history is indeed the history of Christianity? Does it mean that their atrocious pet organisation is indeed a Christian Church?

In fact, a Christian is someone who is willing to give up their life for the love of others, even their enemies. I do not know too many Christians.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 9 February 2018 6:26:43 PM
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david prefers to read an atheists view of the world of Christians, and a Roman Churches Nationalist view of Christianity; rather than the facts as Jesus taught. "My kingdom is not of this World" Jesus Christ.
Posted by Josephus, Friday, 9 February 2018 6:50:32 PM
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To David F.

Make note. You are angry with me because I am Christian. Worse, I am openly Christian (thus a missionary?). You are angry at Christianity because of the history Christianity has been part of. But because of both of these you are angry with me for things I have not done. Would you consider it correct if someone was angry at you for things you did not do, and we're not part of? I should not have to justify my actions to you because I have not taken part in any of your critisms against me from gunboats to Roman law.

If you want another example here is what your anger is like, which I've confronted in the past. Because I am white I am part of the evil that is in the history of slavery and conquering nations. Because I am male, I have the ire of most feminists that hate men due to any abuses to women. Throughout history or in the present. Being a Christian is the third evil element I apparently house, and again it is evil for actions I have not done and can not be responsible for.

As much as you hate me now for replying, or for saying what I'm about to say, listen well. I will not stop telling people about God, or about what I've come to know through a Christian understanding. Because God is real and apparently a large portion of the world doesn't even know. That is enough to try to open people's eyes. Also, what I've come to understand and study through Jesus's teachings and Christian fellowship is that Jesus's teachings are reliable.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 10 February 2018 3:21:44 AM
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I disagree with the moral objective to live and let live. If you care about anyone, you don't live and let live, you become part of their lives and when there is need or concern you try to help them. But I do agree with a close perspective to live and let live. To give people space. Not always, but sometimes in any relationship it is needed.

If I am the face of evil because of something I have done, then let me know, (and no, just being Christian isn't the same as oppressing people). I would rather know something I do that is wrong so I can make amends and change to be better. However if I am the face of evil because of actions I was never part of, then no, I do not acknowledge this. It took me enough time after highschool to get past the perspectives pushed that men are evil, and whites are evil. It is an unfair and unjust assessment. I will not acknowledge a simular view because I acknowledge God and am a Christian. All three of these views of evil are skewed and often self serving. I do not think of Germans as evil even though they have nazi oppression in their history. Neither do I think that of Russians because if historic leaders, or any European who have abusive royalty. To do that to any of them instead of judging them by their own actions is to spread a predjusticed hatred and often a means to avoid our own issues through blaming another who's done nothing wrong.

Take note. And judge your own judgments of the face of evil. If any judgments about me being evil persist, let me know so that I can be a better man. But if those judgments have nothing to do with me or my actions then save your breath. I've dealt with that perspective a long time ago, and see no reason to revisit it, because that attitude angers me greatly.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 10 February 2018 3:24:47 AM
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On a few previously French controlled islands in the Pacific, it is illegal to build any other church other than Catholic. still persists to this day.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 10 February 2018 6:43:11 AM
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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

I am not angry with you. I don't know you, and I assume you are a good person filled with good intentions. I also assume you have been brain-washed by an evil religion that has given you fantasies to support your belief. I see you as a victim rather than an evil person. You have a mind, but I think it has been clouded by nonsense. Rather than your belief merely giving you strength to carry on in an uncertain world you feel you have an obligation to persuade other people to adopt it. My view of the world may be wrong, but I find it objectionable that a missionary as other missionaries have done seeks to get me to adopt his view. I would rather try to improve my view by knowing more rather than adopting somebody else's superstition.

If I adopted your view I feel my life would be impoverished. I would be subject to your delusions instead of enjoying the progress that humans have made by reason I would be taking on the beliefs originating in the Stone Ages by primitive people who were trying to explain how the world works. This morning I was reading "Science in the Soul" by Richard Dawkins. He and I are filled with a sense of wonder at this world and hate what clouds men's minds and prevents them from seeing it. I feel not hate for you but sorrow for a deluded human being who wants others to share his delusions. I think the missionary religions such as Christianity and Islam are the most evil of religions since they oppose reason and try to spread their evil. It amazes me how one religion can cause people to hate those who have a different delusion. I think of Josephus who apparently feels that way about the Catholic Church. I try not to hate and try to recognise why humans feel the need for religious mumbojumbo, but my feeling toward you is pity rather than anger.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 10 February 2018 9:35:54 AM
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