Dear Loudmouth,

Even though you are dealing with a child spawned from your side of politics I do feel a little sorry for you.

Comprehension isn't one of his strong suits I'm afraid. What is disturbing is the cult like mentality which I am seeing more and more of. He sure as heck a paid up ticket holder of alt-right and he seems intent on riding that little caboose all the way to the end.

Good luck.

Loudmouth all I read is, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. We're still waiting for your imaginary explanation as to your reasoning about mixed parents, and why you cannot just pick and choose your nationality. I'd love to see what their passports say. You can keep telling stories about what YOU think things should be. I'm telling you what they are. You don't want to hear it. TOO BAD! You're wrong. Don't dig yourself in deeper, stop while your back is against the wall and not through it. Again tell us how many abo's (both parents are abo's) are going or have gone to uni? Not half, quarter, sixteenth or even forty third cast, but actual, legally classified, abo's. Waiting, tick, tick tick, tick,........................................

Alt Rave,

Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian. They may not be able to choose their ancestry, but people tend to identify with at least of their parents, usually the mother. I'm sure that's similar to pretty much every other identity group in Australia, Italians, Sikhs, Samoans, you name it: people who have, all their lives, believed that they have inherited a social and cultural identity as well as being Australian. Indigenous people, like other Australians, have Australian passports, and they have a non-British identity which they cling to, as much as those of of Irish or Scottish or English descent do - although it's much easier for British-Ancestry Australians to believe that they are 'just Australian, since they are in the great majority.

As for how many 'legally classified' Indigenous people who have gone to university ? Maybe 150,000. After all, it's not up to you or anybody else to dictate who is, and who isn't, Indigenous - or Australian, for that matter. People inherit their social and cultural identity, and choose whether or not to aspire to go to university, or whatever other life-course they wish. Thankfully, there are no bars on Indigenous people going to university. They're Australians, after all.

Why does it upset you so much ? Is it that you can't believe that Indigenous people SHOULD go to university ? Is it that you believe they CAN'T, if they are genuinely Indigenous ? You share that prejudice with many on the Virtuous Left, by the way, although they may frame it in terms of 'losing their culture'.

Steele,

Since I think of myself, and always will, as being on a tiny branch of the 'Left', a 'Left' of one it seems, that was a bit hurtful to lump me in with an oaf like Alt Rave. Disagreement is not necessarily hostility.

Joe

Loudmouth, again your opinions. To answer your question 'why does it upset me so much'? Because I can't stand abuse, con-men, lies, shall I go on. Because it is dis-ingenuous of those people to wrongfully categorise themselves as a particular race or creed for personal and selfish gain. When a well respected Elder comes out and publicly denounces these people as 'wanabees' and tells them to stop. I think I have a pretty good ally. And on the subject of 'identity'. Not relevant. As for 'legally classified'? What are you referring to? If you are referring to a person then you will have to look at their passport. I don't know of a passport with 'aborigine' as a nationality. However, what it will say is 'Australian'! The word abo is described as, 'a person, animal or plant that has been in a country or region from earliest times'. Notice how it does not say they 'come' from that country, but 'have been' in a country from earliest times. So, in the future we will also be Australian Aborigines. To recap; If we are born here, we are Australian. If both our parents are abo's we are still Australian, but with the caveat of being Aboriginal Australian. If one of your parents is not Aussie, then your are just plain, Australian, but partly abo. Another way of looking at it is, just remember when you asked one of your friends about their backgrounds, they would have said my mother was from X and my father was from Y but I was born here so I am Aussie. They don't say, my mother was from X but because I have an agenda I am calling myself X and I choose to ignore that I was born in Australia, because it doesn't suite me. Just to put that last nail in the coffin. Did you know that if you are born on a ship, you will take on the nationality of the country the ship is registered in?

Alt Raver,

Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian. There are no Aboriginal passports, Aboriginal people go overseas on Australian passports, because they are Australian. Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian. Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian. Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian. Identity is not nationality. People can be Aboriginal and Australian.

Joe

So, loudmouth, you've made my point. I don't care what you identify with or what you think your identity is, that is a word which has been conveniently taken by the abo's to justify their agenda. MONEY! You have echoed my points by trying to be smart and repeating 'people can be abo's and aussie's', I already told YOU that earlier in this so called discussion. Everyone can see through this 'Identity' crap. I and millions of others aren't buying it. You can 'identify' as much as you like. Ok let's see how many of these con-men will still give a flying flee about their 'identity' if we cut off the supply of money and benefits. Abo's are dis-liked because of the abuses the rest of Australians have had to tolerate from them. I don't care who someone is but when they lie, cheat and steal I will expose them for what they are. You must be a wanabee to be defending this kind of con and at such a large scale at that. You can shove your identity angle, it doesn't wash. Just to ensure YOU get the point, identity is irrelevant, identity is irrelevant, identity is irrelevant, identity is irrelevant,....................................................