Hi Cherful,

The Indigenous population is, on the whole, moving from the smaller remote 'communities' to larger remote 'communities', and from there others are moving to rural towns, from which others in turn are moving to the cities. It may take a generation for people arriving in the cities, for their children to go on to tertiary study, but as they say, it will happen.

Also, at the last Census, 37.5 % of all Indigenous households were either owned or being purchased by their occupiers, a total of 98,731 households. This is more than twice the number of homes either owned or being purchased back in the 2006 Census. Again, a doubling in ten years. like university participation and graduation numbers.

In 'communities', it isn't possible for occupiers to own or purchase the houses that they live n, given the land tenure arrangements there. Sooner or later, leasing arrangements will be thought of, to enable people to purchase - not the land that the house is on - but the house itself. But effectively now, people in 'communities', de facto, 'own' their own homes, so the real figure for home ownership, in law and de facto, is probably closer to 50 %.

What is starkly clear is that urban Indigenous people are not likely to ever contemplate a move out of the cities into the remote 'communities'. Any racist dream of that sort is, at least in the case of urban people, long dead. How long it will be a ghastly reality for 'community' people, generation after generation to come, is too horrible to contemplate, given their absence of alternatives.

Cheers,

Joe

I'm not sure where you guys get your facts and figures. You must read a lot of fiction. Firstly I don't see why it is anyone's business but the abo's when it comes to abo affairs. Secondly, stop quoting these ridiculous figures just to make your point sound more relevant. Let me set some terms of reference as it appears some of you have no idea. Firstly anyone who's mother and father are actually pure blood abo's, can call themselves abo's. Secondly if you are born in Australia, you're Australian. Now even a well known elder came out criticising what he called the 'wanabe's'. Another mis-noma. I can't slag off enough about this damn re-identification crap. I'll say it again, if one of your parents is not an abo then guess what? You're NOT an abo! You're an Aussie and at best you are a wanabe. So shut up with this rubbish PC re-identification crap, they're Australian. End of. As for the hand-outs, leg ups, preferential treatment, enough! There are enough of them abusing the system as it is. Going to uni? I could not care less if another 'Aussie' goes to uni or not. I'd be grateful if they just got off the dole, off their arse and did something. Anything. How do you think the rest of us feel? And the absolute arrogance of the 'stolen generation'. What a fu(*en liberty. Really? They were given the best care and upbringing ANY abo would ever see, and they have the arrogance to come back years later whinging about not being left in squalor and shite. Honestly you abo lovers are sick. You have embraced political correctness and all the lies it engenders and stands for. When you throw away your library of fictional reads, look around, with your eyes and mind open and you will see the real world not this BS one you prefer.

Alt Rave,

You can find the data in the ABS Censuses, Community Profiles:

http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/Home/2016%20Census%20Community%20Profiles

and on the federal Education Department web-site, Student Data pages:

https://www.education.gov.au/student-data

Like most ranters, you seem confused: you write, quite reasonably, "I'd be grateful if they just got off the dole, off their arse and did something. ...." but then you slag the very people who do so. You accuse them of living on hand-outs, when it's most likely that the current Indigenous university students come from working homes which receive little or no 'hand-outs'.

You're not alone: I suspect it's a common attitude, even in people on the Virtuous Left, to put Indigenous matters out of their mind, and to get a bit irritated when they are reminded that indigenous people are all around them, here to stay, and many not doing too bad. That last point irks many: shouldn't they stay helpless and therefore to be pitied (or looked down on with contempt), but therefore out in the sticks somewhere 'in their country' - somewhere else ? Cities belong to whites, they think. No. The great majority of Indigenous people live in the lager urban areas, and pretty soon the majority will be living in the capital cities. Most will be working, not sitting on their arses, not receiving any hand-outs, and as likely to be after your job as anybody else. They don't need either your scorn or your pity, whether you're on the 'Left' or Right.

It's a dilemma for both Right and 'Left' - how can you look on people with contempt if they are doing well at university ? And, on the other hand, how can you fill your heart with pity for people if they are not actually helpless ? But it's a problem that both Right and 'Left' will have to get used to.

Joe

Loudmouth let me bring you back on track. The census is wrong because the wanabe's have dared call themselves abo's when they are clearly Aussies. So remove those outrageous lies and deceit, you are pushing mis-information, lies even. I doubt there is even ONE actual abo going to uni. No wait I won't say that because in this pathetic PC time we are in there just might be one to use as the mainstay of some point someone is attempting to make. Loud mouth are you going out of your way to look stupid or does it come naturally? You bag me for saying that they come off the dole and then receive hand outs. Do you not see the flaw in your argument? As for them coming from working families, yes, Aussie families not abo families. Now lets try this again. Do some actual research, throw anything that has to do with wanabees, mixed parentage in the bin and start again with words like 'Aussies'. You already know the answers but you avoid the truth because it will crush your point. I don't have the current numbers of actual abo's but memory leans towards only a few thousand, and I know that the number of so called abo's going to uni is nothing like what you say. In fact it is closer to nothing.

Alt Rave,

Aboriginal people born in Australia are Aussies. It's possible to be both, in fact difficult not to be. There will be around nineteen thousand Indigenous Australian going to university next year, and maybe three thousand graduates, kicking the total up to about 57,000.

I suppose, in your universe, 'southern' Aboriginal people, and Aboriginal people with some non-Aboriginal ancestry, are thereby not Aboriginal. Perhaps then you might call them 'White' ? No ? You must regret not being king. Like it or not, people who, all their lives, have been regarded as 'not White', who have had an Aboriginal (i.e. 'not White') parent all their lives, who have been considered Aboriginal by family, friends, neighbours, schools, police, etc. all their lives, are Aboriginal - people who, in all honesty and sincerity, have regarded themselves as 'Aboriginal' with question, since birth. It may not be the corroboree and Didg sort of Aboriginal of 'Leftist' romantic thinking (or Rightist racist thinking, which is eerily similar), but something quite distinctly 'not White' AND 'not traditional', something developed in many forms across the country, over the last couple of hundred years.

And yes, as well, there would be many Aboriginal people, people who you, in your judgment, consider would be Aboriginal, who are university students, and graduates, and there have been for decades.

Since you are not king just yet, you might have to put up with all that.

Joe

No loudmouth, you have to put up or shut up! You raving on about abo's with mixed parents are still abo's. THEY ARE NOT! Stop trying to push a lie. Do you understand what it means to have mixed parents? You cannot be an abo if you are not of pure blood. Gee's man you lot just will not see the truth. Try as you will to win your point. I have previously explained this fact and it goes something like this. Dutch mother, Aussie father, their child is born in Australia, it is an Aussie. Abo mother, abo father, their child is an abo Aussie. Dutch mother, abo father, their child is an Aussie. You and you camp making up these titles because it suites your agenda is not going to fool anyone. As is the case today, technology has given us products that look and feel just like wood. Guess what? It's not wood! So stop pushing this PC BS and start quoting truths and facts. Now go and look up how many real and actual abo's are currently left in Australia. When your finished look up the Elder who went on various media interviews denigrating, (as he called them) the wanabee's and stop calling themselves abo's and collecting benefits as their main motivation. This was an Elder, not me or some whitey. Now there's a good boy I've given you plenty to work with, so when I next hear from you it will be to explain further and in more detail what I have said here.