Sorry Foxy, I said exactly the same thing a few posts ago. Unless I and Is Mise are not seeing something you are, I have to go with him on this one. I believe that's why he's still labouring on this point, because it does seem, on the face of it, that he is right.

From my observation, preference for same sex relationships comes from early childhood bonding relationships. In Males: Close relationship with older dominant brother, dominant or abusive mother. In females: No brothers, or abusive males in her life. Cp; https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/493864?redirect=true https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01067431?LI=true "Family dynamics, particularly parental-child relationships, have long been invoked in etiological theories of sexual orientation; For example, studies have frequently shown that homosexual males are more likely than heterosexual males to recall their fathers as emotionally distant (Van Den Aardweg, 1984)". https://search.proquest.com/openview/cb434299d5d21ada515db936cbb10d85/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=40661

Josephus, not withstanding your comments and links or references. I too have given this topic some thought over the years.

After considering the medical, psychological and social elements of a queer and their life, I choose to go with them being born with this dis-order.

The other alternative, what we call AC/DC is they start out being straight then some time later, mostly as adults, they suddenly declare they are queer.

Then some time later (usually longer than a year) they announce they are straight again.

I have a distant relative who is such a person. At the moment and for some years she has remained straight.

To make my point I will single out women. Having possibly had an uncomfortable relationship with a male partner she may have decided to go queer as another woman would understand and she is dis-enchanted with men at that moment and women give her the support and empathy she is so craving at this time.

Totally ignoring the stigma of such an act or union, she only sees and feels security and a loving environment. She is very vulnerable at this stage and is easily 'seduced by the dark side'.

This is not the actions of a person who is absolutely convinced they are one way or another, but someone who has other mental or emotional problems or issues, but they are absolutely not a 'real' queer.

Josephus, I would not have given the parents that much power or mental influence over their children if I understand you correctly.

I am reminded of petulant girls who don't want to conform to their parents teachings and advise so they do things to spite them not thinking of the personal costs until much later when the dust settles and reality finally catches up with them.

Such as going out with and possibly even marrying a guy simply because her parents don't think he is appropriate for whatever reason/s.

Dear Is Mise,

Ah, but that's not all I said.
You left out a few facts.

I went on to explain that -

Of all eligible Australians who expressed a view
on "Should the law be changed to allow same-sex
couples to marry?" The majority indicated the law
should be changed with 61.6% (7,817,247) responding
YES and 38.4% (4,873,967) responding NO.

That nearly 8 out of 10 eligible Australians (79.5%)
expressed their view.

Read what
the Australian Financial Review on page 53 has to say.

I am not in the habit of making things up or misquoting.
Plus I always try to explain things. It's an occupational
habit.

Dear ALTRAV,

You're quite welcome to believe whatever you choose.
The results of the postal survey were outstanding
for a voluntary survey. It showed how important this
issue was for most Australians. With such a high
and consistent participation rate Australians can
have confidence these statistics reflect the view of
the population as ABS Statistician David Kalisch
stated.

Cheers.

Is Mise, am I missing some thing or does 'the population' now mean 'some' of the population.

I can't seem to get that not everyone voted and of that 'not everyone', not everyone voted YES. Yet I keep reading the word 'everyone'.

And then to top it off the scum politicians who were NO voters decided to hide behind their mothers so as to help rig the final decision by the scumbags.

Iv'e been alive and followed the political scum long enough to know what they're thinking by now.

AAHH, happy days.

Foxy,

I've read all the rest and, I say again, I accept the decision of the majority of those that voted, YES won the vote, SSM is now recognized by the Nation, but 61.6% of the population did not vote YES.

Your statement that they did is wrong,

Shew me where the statement "61.6% of the Australian population votes YES" occurs outside of your misleading misquotes?

All that you need to do to shut me up is give a reference to those words by the ABS, or admit the fact that you misquoted them and are consequently wrong.

This same misquoting/getting the facts wrong is creeping into the media.