Foxy, my comment is only aimed at your wording, the 'people' voted YES.

All I am pointing out is that the way you have written it I took to mean
ALL the people, when in fact it should say 'most' of the people voted.

I think it was Turncoat who said 'The people have voted YES and we must.........'.

Just a bit of house keeping, no biggie.

ALTRAV,

Since when have I deflected? Deflection is a strange accusation, given that I have gone to the trouble of responding to every one of your claims and questions. Just what exactly am I trying to deflect from?

<<There is no point in conversing with you if think you are always right.>>

No, I don't think I'm always right, and nothing I have said should suggest that I do. If I sound confident, however, then it is because you are demonstrating that you have no idea of what it is that you are talking about, through your ducking and weaving and ad hominems.

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Dear Foxy,

Thanks for the links. I think David Marr summarises things well. Apparently helplines received a rise in the number of calls they received during the debate. It will be impossible to tell if the toll was worth the increased sense of legitimacy the change now has as a result of the survey.

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Josephus,

The facts of biology will always be reality. No-one can change that.

<<Fact is only a man and a woman can procreate with their union.>>

It's just as well marriage is about more than just procreation then, isn't it?

<<Fact is many homosexuals do not want their relationship registered with the Government; …>>

But many do, and that's what matters.

<<... funny they do not believe they are second class citizens and unequal to anyone.>>

Of course they don't. How they're treated, on the other hand, is another matter. You sound very confused, Josephus.

<<Those insecure in their relationship want laws to make them feel secure, and remove other opinions by shame as bigotry and hate.>>

No, they don't. You're making this up now.

<<Christian Moral Law …>>

Just what exactly constitutes “Christian Moral Law” would differ from Christian to Christian (I'd never even heard of the term, so I think you're making this up too) rendering the concept meaningless.

Let's look at the moral Law:Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 23 December 2017 5:01:43 AM It is built on avoiding personal guilt unlike other cultures that are built on avoiding shame of family or Tribe. 1. We must each give allegiance to one Character values. The preamble to the meaning of all other values. 2. We must keep one day in seven as a rest day because we are not slaves, nor make others slaves in our care. This principle established 3,000 years ago. Christians observe either Saturday or Sunday as rest days from work and also applies to all their employees. 3. We are to give respect and care to parents especially in old age. 4. We shall not murder [unlike cultures that murder a family member that has brought shame on the family e.g. a daughter who has been raped.] 5. We should not commit adultery or rape. It violates a boundary of another person or relationship. A practise considered common in pagan society. 6. We must not give false witness against another person. Honesty of even an opponent is vital to a civil society. 7. We must recognise and respect others personal boundaries of property and relationships. These principle are no longer applicable in Western society nor can they be displayed in public or taught in schools as they identify a religious faith. Yet our Constitution was drawn up by people who practised and believed them. This is the basis of Moral Law. Jesus summed it up in two principles. 1. Give full allegiance in mind body and spirit to one Holy Character values. God is identified as purist of character, actions that care for humanity, and wisdom the improves society, e.g. Christ Jesus. 2. Care for others as you would desire they care for you.

Dear ALTRAV,

Australians have voted YES in the same sex
marriage survey by 61.6%.
More than 12 million Australians took part in
the postal survey and close to 8 million Australians
returned a YES answer. More that 4 million or 38.4%
voted NO.

A turnout rate of about 80%.

The facts speak for themselves.

I can't be held responsible for how you or anyone else
interprets these figures.

The figures speak for themselves.

Josephus, good response. Your talents are wasted on Philips. He will just badger you and negate everything/anything he doesn't like.

Well, I certainly hope I negate everything I rebut, ALTRAV. That WOULD be the hallmark of a good debater and someone who was in the right, after all. Ducking, weaving, and personal attacks, on the other hand, are not.