Josephus, it is so refreshing to read some truth and common sense for again. It is a rare commodity on these forums.

I feel heartened by your comments. I feel frustrated when I am unable to find the appropriate words to a response.

One thing I have learned about people, as I have never indulged in forums before, is that they refuse to consider an idea when they are set in their ways, even after something has been explained as simply and clear as possible.

I will pay closer attention to your posts in future. It does not mean I won't challenge you should I feel the need but I do like your style.

Look forward to more.

Paul,

"why do they need to change the minds of the NO voters." No we don't, you keep your bigoted attitude, take it to the grave with you if you like."

as I posted on page 1,
"On the ABC this morn there was a discussion about how the "Gay" lobby can progress from here and change the minds of the people who voted 'No' so that there is close to 100% acceptance"

I heard the discussion, it happened and is undoubtedly somewhere in the ABC's archives.
This problem ain't gunna go away.

Josephus,

Homosexuality is a biological sexual reality, so you are still a bigot and a homophobe if you believe gay people should be treated as second-class citizens just because of their sexuality. Whether some lefties want to use those terms to shame you is irrelevant to that.

AJ,

"Homosexuality is a biological sexual reality...."

Does no one choose a homosexual lifestyle of their own free will?

Here is another line to attempt of shame,"if you believe gay people should be treated as second-class citizens just because of their sexuality". Calling homosexual people second class citizens, is absolute nonsense and only exists in the mind of those that believe they are second class. I have several close homosexual friends and they do not see themselves as second class. It is a lie perpetrated by the political left, again to shame their opponents into submission. Homosexuality is not a biological reality, it is a biological deviation of the design and purpose of biological sexuality.

Is Mise,

No, certainly not entirely.

<<Does no one choose a homosexual lifestyle of their own free will?>>

Do you really want to go down the the whole ‘determinism vs free will’ avenue? It's messy.

Anyway, I have no idea of what this has to do with my response to Josephus. His wording was confused and ambiguous (that was part of my point). So, before I can answer you properly, you'll need to tell me what you understand a “biological sexual reality” to be.

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Josephus,

I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you right now.

<<Here is another line to attempt of shame,"if you believe gay people should be treated as second-class citizens just because of their sexuality".>>

My reasoning was sound, so your attemot to pass it off as an attempt to shame sounds awfully defensive.

<<Calling homosexual people second class citizens, is absolute nonsense and only exists in the mind of those that believe they are second class.>>

Then don't imply it with your bigotry, and you'll be fine.

<<I have several close homosexual friends …>>

Yes, don't we all. Especially the bigots. They somehow manage to have the most.

<<... and they do not see themselves as second class.>>

That's good to hear. Especially when there are those like you who wish to treat them as such.

<<Homosexuality is not a biological reality, it is a biological deviation …>>

Somehow I don't think you know what ‘reality’ means then. It is not the opposite of ‘deviation’.

Are you just trying to get around the mess that ALTRAV had found himself in with the concepts of ‘normal’ and ‘natural’ on the other thread by inserting the word 'reality' instead? Because, all you're really achieving is a string of posts that don't make much sense. I'm glad they at least make sense to ALTRAV and Is Mise, though.