Hasbeen
"deny.. dictate.. stop.. "

"Should 4 wheel drive owners have to have an extra specialised test before driving one?..With the tragic loss two children's lives in Sydney today isn't it time to ask some tough questions about 4wds?
..Does the average driver have the skills to drive a four wheel drive? "

Are you denying, dictating and stopping the questions ?

//Should 4 wheel drive owners have to have an extra specialised test before driving one?//

In my experience, people who can drive a 4WD are usually better drivers. Mind you, almost all of those are people who understand what 4WD's are for: unsealed roads. Anybody who thinks they need a 4WD in a city is a danger not because they are poor drivers, but because they are morons.

I am surprised that some here would diminish a driver's responsibility to allocate some blame to the vehicle. Police do check the vehicle systems to ensure brakes etc worked.

Driving is a complex activity that requires what is described as 'System 2' thinking, which means you cannot have any distraction and must never lapse into 'automatic'. That is the science (Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman).

Engineers have worked wonders to make vehicles and roads safer. We have to be at our best too, all of the time. That takes singular concentration. Hopefully my next car will have the new collision avoidance technology to give me that extra edge.

I second Hasbeen's first sentence. I have already opined that Op2 is a frustrated totalitarian, and the more he tells other people what they should do, the more he sounds like the immature, unworldly little teenager he probably is.

I have never owned a 4WD either. I currently drive a 9 year old Toyota Corolla, bought new, which will probably see me out. I said that I would like to see 4WDs banned, but that was half joking as I was trying to show sonny boy that, what we think is not necessarily going to happen just because we do think that way. Crusaders on anything are usually half-mad (at least), eventually ignored, and disappear up their own bums with their obsessions.

4WDs are here to stay, and no whining and mewling from the likes of Op2 is going to change that.

Let's add a little logic to the debate...

All I asked was should 4x4 drivers have an extra specialised test before they can drive on our roads!

At the moment a person who has driven a Mini Minor for years can buy any size 4x4 and immediately drive it on our roads... Do you really think they have the skills necessary?

Shouldn't they require extra training?

Does 4x4 stop as quickly as a mini minor?

Does a 4x4 take up the same road space as a mini minor.

Does a 4x4 have a higher centre of gravity than a mini minor?

To argue that a person can just jump in and drive a 4x4 and be safe is ridiculous.

Pretending that a driver has the same capabilities in a mini minor and a 4x4 puts others at risk on the roads.

So how many here with 4x4's have bull bars?

Have you ever hit a bull? A cow? A kangaroo?

How much country driving do your really do?

If you haven't hit a bull or other large animal are your bull bars just in case bars? Do you also carry a canoe just in case you drive into a river?

For our resident engineer... In exactly the same scenario of a 4x4 driving at 30klm, if a person is hit by a 4x4 are the risks to that person for permanent injury or death greater when hit by bull bars or a vehicle with crumple zones and plastic parts designed to cushion collisions?

Are the risks to that person for permanent injury or death greater greater being hit by a 4x4 than a sedan?

Your Emotional questions Hasbeen seem a bit weird when the original post was should these drivers of 4x4 have more training... Is extra training and added skills a communist plot or something...

Did you study for your degree... So you aren't against upskilling and training then... Did you pass exams for your degree... Oh so you aren't against testing knowledge and skills then?

No-one is denying anyone anything - Sorry what was your point again?...lol

Poor ttbn... He got destroyed on another thread and now he is crying crocodile tears that is why he is attacking me calling me such things as a totalitarian.

Hopefully he will stop crying and talk reasonably from now on...

His true opinion on this subject "I think 4WDs should be banned" Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 9:06:54 AM

I never said they should be banned!