Dear Is Mise,

I detect from your post that you feel that my comments
are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine or
an ashtray on a motorcycle. But that's all right.
I've got you to correct me.

Hi Foxy,

This thread will show very quickly who the 4wd drivers are...

All rationality will jump out of their heads, if it was there in the first place, and they will attack because they are probably one of the bad drivers...

Most 4wd drivers think they are invincible in their Toorak tractors and drive as if they own the roads.

It's a shame that these people can't be honest even with themselves.

So who here drives a 4wd and does your 4wd have bull bars?

I don't, I chose not to have one!

:)

Foxy, 'Holden Statesman'

Likely higher displacement engine, and mass comparable with Kluger, Hyundai Sante Fe, Kia Sorento, Mazda CX-9 and Nissan Pathfinder to name a few.

I sure hit nerves with Hasbeen and ttbn... I wonder why they are so wrong in what they claim...

Do you guys drive 4wds and are you in the too old to drive one stage of life?...lol

Your posts prove that all rationality goes out the window when people dare to question the vehicles you drive and your competence to drive one...

So do you drive a 4wd and do you have bull bars?

Trust a hasbeen to not understand how crumple zones do work... That is why the manufacturers have them!

Statesman 147 Kw 304 Nm
Kluger 202 Kw 337 Nm
The 4 wheel and all wheel began as rough road or off-road and farm vehicles . Throw a crowbar and fence- wire in , call dog and put rubber on the rocks. Or plough a straight furrow through fresh food people and timber class-room.

You sure have the right name opinionated, all opinion, & wish to dictate to others, despite not having a single clue.

Never owned a 4WD in my life, or a bull bar, but as a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering I have more idea of the bull dust involved in auto rulemaking by governments. I have had to own a few big heavy cars to tow with, effectively by government decree, but have no use for the added mechanical complication of 4WD systems.

Today I prefer to drive little 2 seater convertibles, mostly quite old, & much more pleasant than modern front drive horrible hatches.

That does not mean that, like you, I would deny those who need such things the use of them. A daughter had to drive a big 4WD crew cab ute for a couple of years, as they needed it, & could not afford another car as well. She hated it, & was very glad to get rid of it.

A mates wife drives a big front drive only SUV. Horrible things to my mind, but she likes the high driving position, tougher high profile tyres, & ground clearance for out of town driving, & the ability to carry her big protective dog with her. I suppose you would want her to stop at the edge of the suburbs & walk to the shops.