Sorry Joe, but I think he was even older than me, so definitely an old fart. Have you joined the club?

I don't think the problem is so much the cars, but the drivers. We have to stop giving driving licences to animals. I often hear a driver yell, "learn the road rules yah WOMBAT!", or "give way! Yah bloody DINGO!", "where did you get your licence... TURKEY!". Having so many animals driving cars is not a good idea.

Paul,

Listener or recipient?

All the silly arguments against road safety improvements regarding 4x4s is amazing.

Large 4x4s are totally unecessary in the city environment. The case against them is proved over and over.

We need trucks to deliver goods, we need ambulances, we need police search and rescue vehicles, we need earth moving equipment etc.

We don't need large 4x4s driven on our roads.

I'm not even sure if they are needed in the country either because before they came along we seemed to manage OK. Farmer's had normal family vehicles and survived, or for stock and carting grains they used trucks.

Even the pro 4x4ers here must admit that is the real history and 4x4s are a dangerous fashion statement we can do without.

Of course sedans have accidents and of course a sedan can run into a building BUT generally speaking a sedan will never do the damage a large 4x4 will do in the exact same circumstances.

So are you all really against improving the safety on our roads for your families and others?

Hasbeen... Personally I don't care if we are in a global warming trend, caused by man or anything else, or a global cooling trend caused by man or anything else... I know that we are doing our very best to make the planet uninhabitable.

Now I realise that for a conspiracy theorist like you destroying forests the way we do, and polluting land sea and air continually the way humans do, probably isn't a problem and has no effect, but I'm afraid it does.

So just tell me this ... Why have the glaciers receeded all over the world so much? I doubt glaciers shrink in an ice age but I would bow down to the greater knowledge of a petrol head like you...lmao

Op2,

"I'm not even sure if they are needed in the country either because before they came along we seemed to manage OK. Farmer's had normal family vehicles and survived, or for stock and carting grains they used trucks.

Even the pro 4x4ers here must admit that is the real history and 4x4s are a dangerous fashion statement we can do without."

But that isn't the real history at all; before the advent of 4x4s in the country areas the farmers still had go anywhere modes of transport, horses and bullocks and in the far west, camels.
The end of WWII saw the emergence of the 4x4 as a practical farm/go to market vehicle and returning servicemen saw their potential.
They also saw the potential of tanks and various armoured fighting vehicles were converted for use on the land.
Thousands of ex-military 4x4s were sold to the public from late 1945 onwards.

I note that the terminology is changing, it's now "large" 4x4s, welcome aboard!!

Opinionated2, if you had driven a modern 4x4 you would not have started this thread.

In fact, if I were to have a crash id rather be in a 4by than one of these tiny tin can that wiz around. In fact, vans are far worse than your modern 4x4.

But hey, enjoy your state of mind.