Sorry I was away so I will try to answer some of the silly posts directed at me...

Hasbeen has assessed me as an incompetant driver because I object to his pathetic attempts to relate extra training for 4x4 drivers as dictatorial... Lost the plot much Hasbeen? Apparently in Hasbeen's conspiracy theorist mind extra training for the safety of others on our roads is what dictators do... Logic isn't one of his strengths..lmao

Toni Lavis - Jumps in with a line by line review regarding a tongue in cheek post I made... You are correct you are one of the gullible people you mentioned and should sit a test regarding use of the internet for dummies... lmao

rehctub thinks I have never driven a 4x4 for some unknown reason... So I do actually know what I am talking about...

Hasbeen then thinks that I probably think that his driving experiences means that I think city folk should be banned from driving those cars also... Again he probably has sniffed too many fumes in his life... The heading of the thread doesn't mention banning anything... Do high octane fuels and the like cause basic logic and comprehension in Hasbeens? lmao

All in all we have managed to rattle the cages of many people here...

Just as an aside I had a bull barred 4x4 driving way too close to my rear today. I was travelling at the speed limit intending to turn right at the next intersection 300 metres ahead... He was trying to bully me into breaking the speed limit to get past the car to the left of me so he could speed past me... That's what 4x4 drivers tend to do... Use their vehicle to bully...

Before Hasbeen gets too excited I had better correct a sentence I posted...lol

The question was -

Do high octane fuels and the like cause basic logic and comprehension problems in Hasbeens? lmao

I was too busy laughing at Hasbeen's conspiracy theory logic and didn't check what I had typed...lol Are you a flat earther Hasbeen?...lol

Ise Mise seems to want to belabour the point that he read on the back of a bus ... We get it... trust me we get it!

So what are you saying - Let's add as many vehicles that limit the vision of others so you feel good about your point? When no-one can see we then blame all the drivers for the vehicles that restrict vision? Or do you just feel more manly nagging Foxy when she has said nothing wrong?

So why do some people treat this like a basic rights issue - Changing the testing regimes for 4x4 drivers for the safety of all is nothing special. It is a basic right for us all to stay safe even on the roads.

On occasion I watch that show Highway Patrol and it is unbelievable that people treat road safety and road rules with so much disrespect... The police also are often treated horrendously when they are just doing their jobs!

If bull bars aren't a problem why are the police having blitzes that catch nearly 40 people for faulty bullbars in the Tamworth area?

Perhaps the police should simply sit and watch the cameras that are on many of our roads and just issue fines and unroadworthy certificates on poorly modified vehicles via mail. The States coffers will love the extra revenue!

That wouldn't just be targeting 4x4s of course, that would target all vehicles. I thought I'd add that bit just so you people who think that poor widdle 4x4 drivers are victims of society...lmao

I can't wait to laugh at the Police state arguments that will probably follow that last point...lol

//regarding a tongue in cheek post I made...You are correct you are one of the gullible people you mentioned//

Well there we go... turns out really doesn't dislike 4WD's at all, he's just taking the piss. Hat's off to him, he had us all going for a while there.

//Just as an aside I had a bull barred 4x4 driving way too close to my rear today. I was travelling at the speed limit intending to turn right at the next intersection 300 metres ahead... He was trying to bully me into breaking the speed limit to get past the car to the left of me so he could speed past me... That's what 4x4 drivers tend to do... Use their vehicle to bully...//

And bizarrely, he's still going to continue with his piss-take now that he's let the cat out of the bag.

We're all in on the joke now, mate. Don't think there's much point...

"tongue in cheek".. was that about the kangaroo blaming ?
leoj
All wheel is twice 2 wheel. Comparing the damage to your building compared with the school-room may be interesting.

Different testing is done above 4.5tons than for a C licence.
LR - Light Rigid - small buses or trucks GVM 4.5 tons
Mercedes Sprinter 4.5 tons, small transit bus 150hp, 330Nm ,.
2 or all wheel drive.

Kluger 337 Nm has more torque and does a better job at schools.

Op2,

"Or do you just feel more manly nagging Foxy when she has said nothing wrong?"

What she said, among other stupid things, was that she can't see around 4x4s and that they can't see her in their mirrors, therefore she is closer than necessary and in an unsafe position; plain bad driving.

Why would Foxy have a problem seeing around 4x4s and being seen by 4x4s when SHE DOES NOT DRIVE because of one of her many, often talked about, ailments? It's Foxy's husband, who drives her around, who is affected, or not, and it his opinion that matters, not Foxy's. Foxy doesn't need to be seen or to see. I'll bet she is a back seat driver, though.