You're going to have to explain that one Spanky.

>>All things to do with good is God and all things to do with bad is Satan. (sorry for the two being in the same sentence) see...stigmata!<<

There are seven definitions in my OED for stigma (pl. stigmata) and none makes sense in the context of your post.

1. A mark made on the skin by burning with a hot iron

2. A mark of disgrace or infamy ("Infamy, infamy! They've all got it infamy": Kenneth Williams)

3. Marks resembling the wounds on the crucified body of Christ

4. A morbid spot, dot or point on the skin

5. Each of the respiratory openings or breathing-pores in insects or other invertebrates

6. That part of a pistil in flowering plants which receives the pollen in impregnation

7. A point whose movement in a certain plane is determined by that of another point in the same plane (Ellis's Stigmatic Geometry)

Help me out here, it's been a confusing enough day without this mystery nagging at me.

PERICLES.. I just went to Wiki and cut/pasted the section below.
So many references, you may check them yourself.

In Orthodox Christianity
The teachings of the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox communions regarding the Kingdom of Heaven, or Kingdom of God, is basically taken from scripture, and thus many elements of this belief are held in common with other scriptural faiths and denominations. Some specific descriptions of this Kingdom as given in the canon of scripture include—(this list is by no means comprehensive):

Peaceful Conditions on a New Earth—

Is. 2:2–4, 9:7, 11:6–9, 27:13, 32:17–18, 33:20–21, 60:17–18, Ez. 34:25–28, 37:26, Zech 9:10, Matt. 5:3–5, Rev. 21


Eternal Rule by a Messiah–King

—Ps. 72, Jer 31:33–34, Zech 2:10–11, 8:3, 14:9, Matt 16:27, Rev 21:3–4
an heir of David,

Is. 9:6–7, 11:1–5

Bodily perfection—No hunger, thirst, death, or sickness; a pure language, etc.

– Is. 1:25, 4:4, 33:24, 35:5–6, 49:10, 65:20–24, Jer. 31:12–13, Ez. 34:29, 36:29–30, Micah 4:6–7, Zeph. 3:9–19, Matt 13:43

Ruined cities inhabited by people and flocks of sheep

—Is. 32:14, 61:4–5, Ez. 36:10,33–38, Amos 9:1

SPANKY.. did you (have you ever) read Ecclesiastes? please make an effort, I think if you've never, it will prove most enlightening.

"Nowhere in the old testament is there any hint of parallel about sexual joys in the next life as a reason for fighting hard. Nothing..nada..zippo... zero."

No sex is heaven? What a boring place! You mean its about
sitting down with all those old fart bishops and popes,
whilst the angels play their violins?

Dave Allen was right. Perhaps hell is the place to be,
full of interesting characters, gambling joints, hookers,
comedians, etc. I can't think of anything worse then
spending eternity with those old farts from Rome.

No wonder the muslims are winning the race, their heaven deal
sounds far better and more interesting

Even DB would be so boring, with his constant bible references.

Give me hell please :)

Yabby

The Muslims have got it all wrong. The after-life is strictly for spiritual enlightenment.

Therefore, when one enters ones Nirvana, they must be free from earthly possessions.

That includes the crown jewels!

"The after-life is strictly for spiritual enlightenment."

Dickie, I thought about your post and you have
convinced me.

There is no denying the pleasures of great food, great wine,
great sex, great experiences, etc. So heaven is clearly
here and now! Best we enjoy evry day.

The very thought of giving up all those things, yet having
to navel gaze FOREVER, with a bunch of boring old farts,
can only be described as my version of hell.

So my view that heaven is here and now and that heaven will
continue when the worms save me from such suffering forever,
is clearly the correct one!

I'll let BD and the popes bore you to death, but hey, its forever,
so best you suffer forever whilst I escape all that stuff :)

Oh no! Here we go again...Pericles, Pericles, Pericles..,
Sorry, didn't think you would run for your dictionary.., in response to your question errr...all of the above! My apologiese, it WAS written in the wrong context, but you know what I mean.

Yabby, your comments on the muslim nation will inadvertantly have some repercussions, so be ready!
As far as the pope is concerned, he knows where he's going and probably looking forward to it! (or trying to make himself believe he knows where he's going)

Boaz, I will indeed read Ecclesiastes, although I fear that it may go off track and veer off the question "is this it and where to now" not all of us think of the other option of going to heaven.
There are many questions unanswered and cannot be found in the good book, I suppose this depends on how one interprets its passages.

Hi Dickie,
Earthly possessions,crown jewels? Yep, they and a lot of other nations like the Egyptians, like to take earthly possessions with them for the afterlife. They seem to be quite adamant that there is indeed an afterlife.