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Is this it and where to now?

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It's madness, most of us strive to get better, do better, amass more than the other, out-do, rise above one another, dominate, belittle and derogatate others, all to get ahead to get a better life and obviously to amass as much as possible before dooms day, and for what?
One is able to leave it to their next of kin, you certainly cannot take it with you, unless of course there is a supermarket of some kind on the other side! If for instance you are aged and have millions, I'm talking filthy rich and you have no-one to leave it to, the government takes it after it lying in state for a couple of years, then some lazy @rse scoops it up and none's the wiser! I've heard of people requesting to be buried with some money in their coffins, to spend in their afterlife, now thats persistance and may I add, damn well tight fisted! I have never heard of it being left to a needy cause, except to their pets? it happens! what the heck is a pomeranian going to do with millions, then it goes to the dogs handler. We as humans have this whole life thing wrong.
Posted by SPANKY, Friday, 6 July 2007 4:14:05 PM
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"It's madness, most of us strive to get better, do better, amass more than the other, out-do, rise above one another, dominate, belittle and derogatate others, all to get ahead to get a better life and obviously to amass as much as possible before dooms day, and for what?"

Well in that case most of you are simply philosophically challenged :)
Why do you want more then what is enough, in order to be secure and
happy? Perhaps its just the old hunting instinct surfacing.

I certainly don't see the human brain as the amazing thing that you
do. Its simply our evolutionary niche. Every species needs to make
a living. We are relatively weak, slow to run, have poor eyesight and
hearing etc. Our niche is thinking a bit more then other species.
Mind you, there is a risk in that too. We are now smart enough to
invent interest new things, stupid enough to misuse them and wipe
ourselves out in the process. IMHO the stupid will prevail, sadly.

Heaven is here an now, thats the only certainty. If you want, I can
sell you some snake oil, promise you all sorts of things, as long as
you become a follower of what I claim. As the guru, I would of course
want your money and lots of easy sex perhaps :)

Yup, you continue on, via your dna. Your body/brain get chewed up
by the worms, we can show that. But your dna continues, if you
had children/grandchildren. No wonder when those grandmommy
hormones kick in, they will do anything for the grandkids and it
makes them feel great!
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 6 July 2007 9:37:03 PM
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Yabby,
Yep, I'm one of those who regard the brain a wonderful creation, especially when there are many of us weakling humans, who are born with a brain defect, thats the part of "wonder" I talk of, not in a self righteous way.
Are we being kept in the dark as far as future inteligence is concerned? There are a lot more than just a handful of people going for this cryogenic thing and it makes one wonder whether certain persons have access to information known only to those in top secret positions, like those guys who keep covering up the space craft incident and the beings found inside the craft, surely those "beings" had some futuristic info to dig out from? Maybe they hold the answer to "where to from here" and the sly buggers from Nasa don't want any of us to know about it, until much later into the future. With this in mind, do you realise that the motor car was invented only a few years ago, then all of a sudden we are booking holidays in space, for crying out loud!
Posted by SPANKY, Friday, 6 July 2007 10:18:33 PM
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There is more than one way to approach the question of mortality -it need not be an exclusively religious issue:

The only thing that makes ‘us’ mortal is that ‘our’ consciousness support system/body eventually fails.If consciousness could migrate to a new body before the old one fails -or the body could be made self renewing -the sky’s the limit!

Farfetched it may currently sound , on a number of fronts there are trends/developments which taken to their inevitable conclusion will see ‘us’ able to alternate between bodies at will, and they need not only be flesh & blood version’s.

Would the consciousness inside still be human/us, if it resided in a non-human/mechanical shell? -I think the answer is yes - but would it really matter?

As for those of us who’ll miss the boat -all need not be lost - if it is deemed worthwhile ( & it may not be ) our 'unique' I’s & me’s could be conjured from some futuristic maths formula.

{ Then, there are those who think we are all just part of a giant SIMS game anyway -but that’s another story -another thread.}
Posted by Horus, Saturday, 7 July 2007 1:10:50 AM
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I have never stopped searching for the answer to the question, in truth I doubt many have.
Once a Christian I even now ask what is behind the near death story's and note most who have them are no longer Christians after that?
And previous lives? spooky.
But I tell you why I think our brain is great.
Starting a long drive within minutes of my fathers death to inform my brothers I felt my dad ride that trip with me, comforting.
On walking in to my home for the first time after my mother died I felt her right there.
So the brain is a great thing and in my view live every day of your life its all we get.
But what if? just kidding!
One other thing of interest how many who had to wait by a dieing persons bed are stunned by the fact they did not die until the last one they waited for came?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 7 July 2007 7:49:49 AM
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Spanky

I confess, I generally hover between an atheist and an agnostic. I continue to maintain that "religion is the root of all evil",

However, I am reminded of the 10 commandments and believe from an altruistic point of view, we should all endeavour to abide by those rules (I'm a miserable failure!)

Some neuroscientists theorise that near death experiences are triggered by electrical currents to the temporal and parietal lobes of the brain, a result of oxygen starvation and CO2 overload, sometimes experienced by fighter pilots.

I guess the vision of the beautiful white light and tunnel is a comforting delusion - but who knows?

My mother was born profoundly deaf and blind with just sufficient hearing to be able to speak with a distinct impediment. Specialists claim her poor sight was a result of inheriting retinitis pigmatosis, however, no other family member has ever had the disease.

The Buddhist belief is if you are a bad human in one life, you need to pay your dues in the next - hence the "deaf and blind" thing?

Apologies for banging on about my deceased mum, however, though unworldly, she was extremely psychic and accurate as well. Due to her accurate predictions, she was constantly pestered by people who wanted to know what the future held.

She was adamant that "a coin must never cross one's palm" and this gift must only be used for the good of others. She was not hindered by her physical disabilities and perhaps her enhanced intuition and wisdom compensated for that. She was considered an "old soul" by many of her contemporaries.

As a result, I am rather influenced by the concept of reincarnation.

On the other hand, I believe the brain is a magnanimous organ, sadly neglected by we humans where most of us have not used it to full capacity. The experiences of people gaining messages from the deceased may only be genetic. After all we inherit diseases or good health from our ancestors, why should we not inherit a memory of ancestors' experiences through a brain we have inherited from them?
Posted by dickie, Saturday, 7 July 2007 11:18:56 AM
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