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Is There No Hope For Bill Shorten?

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The next election will certainly be interesting.
What has happened in the UK, the US, and now New
Zealand - indicates that there are so many
dissatisfied voters who are no longer willing to
go with the status quo. Whether Australian voters
will prove to follow suit - I guess we'll have to wait
and see. Although there are already signs in the current
polls that voters are not happy with the current state
of affairs. But predicting the outcomes is always risky,
at the best of times. Many don't like Mr Shorten as
leader of his party, but the same can be said about Mr
Turnbull's leadership as well.
Interesting times ahead.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 21 October 2017 11:06:48 AM
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Foxy,

What has happened in NZ is exactly pro status quo, not anti status quo. The same old same old.
Liberal/labor, Liberal/Labor, Liberal/Labor...

That is actually the problem Foxy, it's not the solution...
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 21 October 2017 12:19:47 PM
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Dear DD,

Too early to tell whether it's the solution.
Obviously, the voters did not like what went
on before. We shall have to wait and see what
happens next - as I stated earlier - pridicting
the future is risky at the best of times.
Look at what happened in the US - and what they
ended up with. The Trump Disapproval Crocodile
continues to grow teeth.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 21 October 2017 12:37:59 PM
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Unpack the rhetorical trickery of the last sentence of the post above is an example of the false comparison that is being employed often by shysters and the media commentariat. In fact there is no comparison at all and nothing to do with Australia.

False comparisons and non sequitur are common devices used by priests in sermons.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 21 October 2017 12:52:24 PM
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Of course it is far easier to talk about Trump than it is to address those 'wicked' problems like the 'Struggle streets',

"Former Labor leader Mark Latham slams Labor over gay marriage

FORMER Labor leader Mark Latham has slammed his party’s “obsession” with gay marriage saying it should focus on the nation’s “Struggle Streets” instead.

He told 3AW radio Bill Shorten’s private members bill to push for changes to the marriage act to allow same-sex couples to tie the knot, to be introduced into parliament on Monday, was nothing more than a symbolic gesture.

He said the biggest social issue facing Australia was unemployment, drug use and homelessness in suburbs such as Mt Druitt which was the focus of the SBS documentary, Struggle Street.
“If you are interested in equality and social justice in Australia then what was the really big event in the month of May,” he said. “We had the Struggle Street documentary which revealed that in the nation’s public housing estate, most notably in Mt Druit people live in conditions that you wouldn’t wish upon your dogs. Absolute chaos, despair and hopelessness in their lives.
“And surely, you would have expected a serious national response from the party of social justice?
“We didn’t hear anything.
“They’re obsessed, instead, by gay marriage.”
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/former-labor-leader-mark-latham-slams-labor-over-gay-marriage/news-story/6c89f7077536bf321ee40c25946e6f0f

And what about Australia achieving the frightening status as one of the world's highest users of illicit drugs (and climbing!)? Hmmm, now what possible role would successive federal governments' immigration decisions and poor screening have had in that? What about Labor's Kevin 707 and the Greens' 'Open Door'?

Far better to talk about Trump and hope some mud will splatter this way?
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 21 October 2017 1:05:10 PM
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Foxy

The Trump disapproval crocodile, as you put it, may be growing teeth, but who will it devour?
It's already devoured Hillary Clinton, who's reputation is in tatters.
There are plenty of people like myself, who are extatic Giant Trump is tramping around Giant Land, kicking over established castles.

Most predictions re NZ issue bleak warnings. Poor people of NZ with a psychotic Labor Gvt to contend with.
Another stampede of NZ's on the way to Australia.
Posted by diver dan, Saturday, 21 October 2017 3:52:48 PM
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