Issy, the Greens are wise to the Shooters and Hooters moves to trade their vote in return for relaxation of gun laws. This was the case In 2012 when the Coalition government did a dirty deal with the 'Two Bobs' of Shooters and Hooters fame to get legislation through Parliament to privatize the state’s electricity generators. They cut a disgusting deal with the Shooters MPs that exchanged their vote for privatization in return for opening up National Parks for recreational hunting!

The smoke screen legislation you prattle on about, put up by the Shooters and Hooters, which is not supported by the Greens or the two major parties is about mandatory sentencing and not gun control. Its designed to give the Shooters some oomph with the public that they favour gun control, when they do nothing of the kind!

BTW, I understand Issy, you cannot disclose secret communications between the North American Command and your local chapter of the NRA. Leo's is probably in the same boat.

Paul,

"The smoke screen legislation you prattle on about, put up by the Shooters and Hooters, which is not supported by the Greens or the two major parties is about mandatory sentencing and not gun control."

It was to strengthen the gun laws by increasing the penalties for criminal use of firearms.

Regardless of what the major parties felt, why didn't the Greens support this strengthening of the gun laws?

Paul1405,

Your clown routine and the ambulance-chasing, scab-picking*, gutter-dwelling NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens exhibit a complete disregard for the known risks of sensationalising mass murders. But of course that is not of concern where scrabbling for cans to kick for political headlines is concerned. Soon the Greens days of bare-backing gays for headlines will be over and that leaves a topic vacuum for the Greens.

*Particularly where the Greens and Soros' 'gun control' activists keep re-visiting the subject and giving headlines to the grub held in gaol.

You have been quite incapable of demonstrating where Howard's boasted 'Aussie' version of Soros' 'gun control' might have stopped or even laid a glove on the LA murderer. The answer is that 'gun control' is the empty rhetoric of wedge-driving politicians. For contrast, it is only risk- and evidence-based regulation of people that is effective and on top of that, good policing and intel. But the Soros 'gun control' has hundreds of police at desks on the bureaucratic, unproductive busywork of white elephant firearms registries that have never solved a crime and never will either. Nor are the Greens so supportive of police, where they also use the same false comparison tactic with US examples of 'police brutality, often fake news, as was the claimed 'hands-up' police shooting, to sledge Australian police.

As an initiative, what about the scurrilous, unscrupulous and hypocritical ambulance-chasing Greens and other publicity hunting grubs cease using the LA killer for headlines and encouraging copy cats in the process?

"Unethical Media Encourage More and Worse Mass Shootings"
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7960

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

I believe you're being inordinately hard on our colleague IS MISE, especially over the number of F/A's he admits to owning.

Thinking purely as a licensing sergeant would do, and with a complete absence of emotion, there would be none of the F/A's he's listed, that would cause any concern whatsoever for police. In fact his assortment of weapons, would be considered, when compared to many others, as being relatively ordinary. Certainly none with which you could realistically mount a prolonged siege!

Surprisingly, the shooting fraternity in Oz is quite large, with many people taking part in a vast array of disciplines. Moreover it's an Olympic sport, so it does possess a great deal of gravitas among the World's Olympic Movement.

For this reason; we, in fact the world should not, allow the murderous rampages that regularly occur in the United States, to sully a hitherto, noble and well regarded sport. One that is regularly pursued by many decent, ordinary individuals, to a point that it's inexorably driven into extinction.

As long as we ensure the necessary regulations are strictly maintained and observed, we should not encounter too many problems. And as I'm sure you're already aware, most serious gun crime in the country, emanates from the illicit gun market, usually controlled by the illustrious 1%'ers.

As I indicated earlier; I have no idea how one could possibly stop gun crimes, similar to that we've all just witnessed in Las Vegas; and earlier; Sandy Hook, and many other atrocities we regularly see occurring in America. I love America, I love Americans. Surely though, if this madness doesn't stop, the United States of America will die. It's so damn sad, it really is.

Australia, like NZ has large number of firearms and firearms licensed AND Australia, like NZ has minuscule gun violence, in fact among the lowest in the world.

That was before Howard and it continues after Howard, with the gun offences trending downwards before Howard and maintaining that downward trend to this day.

Were it not for the feckless, international stage strutting clowns in the federal parliament and the unnecessary Ponzie scheme of mass immigration with the diversity tail wagging the immigration policy dog, the firearm offences would be so insignificant as to not warrant mention. But alas, Australia is now one of the highest users of illicit drugs in the world and the firearms and violence offending, incl guns, come with the drug trafficking gangs.

Mass Homicides
The media, politicians and their idiotic commentariat and spin merchants, should eschew the easy, slimy, ambulance chasing and posturing and realise (as I am sure they are already aware but don't care) that they themselves are contributing to a problem and should discover a few principles at long last. Obviously, ego, audience numbers and advertising profits come before lives,

http://www.reportingonmassshootings.org/

o sung wu,

Regarding your last para above.

When politics gets involved, intervenes, you get nowhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyXHnjOgM3s
Here is a knowledgeable, experienced and well spoken Sheriff David Clark who is being interviewed. But he is continually being interrupted and spoken over, often cannot get a word in edgeways and there are four, the host as well, who see themselves as pitted against him. He is there to give the facts to the public. But they are there to foster conflict, assert their idealism and make that obvious in every way.

View the whole interview. It is short and it shows the struggle that the many good, experienced and astute people who are on the ground have in trying to communicate and better inform the public, but where the media and its hangers-on are so unprofessional and unashamedly political. Frankly, Australia's ABC does no better where its adversarial, self-opinionated celebrity interviewers are concerned.

Many of the mass murders seek fame, to go out with a bang and be known and feared forever. Guess who make that dream come true and for the next one waiting in the wings?