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America; too many guns - far too many massacres: What can they do about it?

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Nearly all of us would agree, there are far too many guns in the hands of Americans. Consequently we've witnessed a profusion of arbitrary killings that can only be described as being almost primeval in it's spectacle of arrant butchery and gratuitous killing. It's become almost a monthly event where some psychiatrically disturbed individual, decides to exorcise his demons by the wanton murder of innocents, mostly with the use of firearms.

What can be done about it? Personally I've no idea at all?

Given the political power exercised by the NRA. The fact that ATF/FBI have no idea of the enormous number of guns (of all types) in the community. The wide divergence between many of the State Laws apropos; restrictions, licensing, purchase, ownership, carriage, and use of guns? And lets not discount the huge economic imperative they have, by the number of lucrative Arms Manufacturing facilities, they have in the United States, and the tens of thousands people they have employed therein.

Therefore if you were President Donald TRUMP, and had a mind to (drastically) curb these massacres, what measures would you initially introduce?
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 7 October 2017 10:36:15 AM
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Sadly , Trump is in the time-warp of America first against the British and Amerindian scalp-hunters. Guns give liberty against the overwhelming opponents who almost killed the Republic. Japanese , Soviets and Vietcong tried to march on the Washington swamps , Mexicans are massed on the border and the IS are coming.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 7 October 2017 12:33:00 PM
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I think this really is a tough question.

The reason I think it's a really tough question is because I think the US is becoming a political powderkeg headed for civil war.
- And under those circumstances I would not move to disarm the public or remove their ability to defend themselves or their property.
There's just to many guns in America, probably a gun for every citizen; they're not going to remove the ability of those who deliberately wish to harm others from obtaining them.
US citizens are skilled enough in gunsmithing that they will just make their own anyway.
I saw a video a few days back where one bloke melted down aluminium cans in a small furnace, then cast and machined his own AR15 lower receiver in his garage; there's plenty of similar videos on youtube.
Banning bump-stops won't matter much, people who want them for the purposes of doing harm will just 3D print their own any.

So taking the guns away from law-abiding citizens and removing their ability to defend themselves isn't going to help things in my opinion, in the bigger picture of where the country is headed.
US citizens have always had a softer stance on using guns to protect life and property and for all the deaths it may be soon when they need this more than ever.

Socialism is gaining ground and leftists don't respect democracy is the US anymore.
They think violence is a legitimate response to removing a President they dont like.
It's liberals that are currently the number one buyers of guns and going to firing ranges.

Far too many massacres, I honestly don't think we've seen anything yet.
I honestly think the political situation is going to continue to devolve.

What would I do?
Probably encourage more people to take firearms safety courses, know about responsible gun ownership and further promote concealed carry.
This shooting was an attack on white conservatives and Americana, remember the target is the motive.
So I'd strengthen Americana against the neo-liberal fascists who intend to start a civil war.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 7 October 2017 1:24:13 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

I've come across an article in The Los Angeles Times
that is an interesting one dealing with this topic.
The author admits that "Mass shootings are a particularly hard
problem to stop in a country with 320 million guns."
Also the "Right to Bear Arms" mentality that is ingrained
in the national psyche is difficult to overcome.

The article is worth a read and the author does make the
point that instead of focusing on mass killings Americans
need to address everyday gun violence. He tells us that
this is where laws can work.

The author mentions things like - universal background
checks, safe storage rules and of course more vigorous
gun prosecution of gun trafficking. He tells us that
"the gains could be huge - nearly 275 people a day
suffer "normal" gun violence. The weekly total around
1,925 people is more than triple the number of wounded and
dead in Las Vegas".

The author states that "obsession over shooters like the
Las Vegas killer won't make Americans much safer."
However he feels that "Grasping the real dimensions of
everyday gun violence and acting accordingly to try to stop
it will."
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 October 2017 1:31:18 PM
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cont'd ...

Dear O Sung Wu,

Sorry, I forgot to add the link. Here it is:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op.ed/la-0e-winkler-wrong-debate-on-guns-20171006-story.html
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 October 2017 1:35:17 PM
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I'll try again :

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op.ed/la-oe-winkler-wrong-debate-on-guns-20171006-story.html
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 October 2017 1:38:09 PM
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