Hi O Sung Wu,
"I've not viewed ANY News clippings; watched any TV footage; nor read any newspaper account(s) of the recent events in LV Nevada. I've seen enough carnage when I was in the military and the police, to last me forever! Should you consider me a coward, so be it, you're probably right."

I saw some of the footage today, its was pretty horriffic and quite confronting.
I had to stop the video, I didn't want to see any more.
Young women dressed for the night out laying dead in pools of blood,
Young men with exit wounds out the sides of their skulls.
People just stewn around dead everywhere.

Its one thing to talk about it all but something else to view it.

They must've all heard the gunfire but it's as if they were stunned and didn't know what to do at first.
And then they realised something bad was happening and they all ducked and tried to take cover; but they were all just fish in a barrel.
And it wasn't until there were dead people laying around everywhere that they all decided to make a run for it...

I don't blame you for not wanting to view footage of it, it's pretty disturbing.
Don't watch it, but for anyone who does want to see how bad it really was
http://sotomayortv.com/bloodyscenelv/

hey ttbn,
I watched this documentary the other day called 'The Enemy Within' regarding liberal democracy / communist subversion of NZ.
Well I started watching it, havent got around to watching all of it yet, but it seemed interesting.
http://youtu.be/uc2AUDljlhk

I don't know if you've seen the links I've added lately regards Communism / Kurds / ANTIFA / Civil Unrest Planned November 4 (100yr Anniversary Bolshevik Revolution)
But it's all kind of concerning I guess.

And the left wing people go crazy over the guns, and its kind of understandable when stuff like this happens;
They carry on with their 'Anti-Fascist' ranting, but they're the real fascists - 'Neo-Liberal Fascists' running around with their red and black flags 'Blood and Soil' trying to start a communist revolution and dispense with democracy (They don't accept the results of the US election) and cause civil unrest, property damage and violence upon others;

- And they think I'm dumb enough to buy into it, like I don't know communism killed 100 million people already.
- Stories like what the NKVD and Mao did, and comparatively speaking what happened in Las Vegas would've been considered a good day by the victims of that.

So I heard it was 72 minutes from the time first shots were reported till the gunman was killed, and I thought I wonder how far away the police are.
This is almost embarrassing and it hard to explain or makes sense of it.
http://goo.gl/maps/D35Z3JQLC7F2

Zoom in and you'll see at least 50 police vehicles parked no less than 2 mins from the scene of the shooting...

Hi Foxy, a great piece of insight on your part. Worth repeating;

"Americans seriously need to discuss the mass psychology of
needing so many guns in the first place and the symptoms
created by being surrounded by them. They have to recognise
that gun crimes, mental illness, social networks and gun
access are complexly interrelated and not reducible to
simple cause and effect.
Ultimately the ways in which their society frames these
connections reveals as much about their particular cultural
politics, biases, and blind spots as it does about the acts
of lone and obviously troubled individuals."

There is a strong anti-gun element in the US, they are not all gun toting rednecks, hanging out at Issy's 'Bullets and Burgers'. But despite much protest, and the support of some leading politicians, the collective political will is not there to act. Plus the fact the gun lobby itself is so powerful with massive political clout.
With each new and growing atrocity, the expectation is; surely now America will act! it just don't happen, the early reaction from Trump, despite his platitudes and much ringing of hands, was to retreat from any suggestion that action on gun control be taken.

Totally agree with you Issy; "Think of it, a country without guns, I'm all for it"

Ah! but you are itching to hit me with the "who draws first routine". We gotta have de guns, because they gotta de guns! Right? That is not my concern, others can argue that point. But I say, lets just do it!

//Let's ban all guns, let's eradicate them from Australia, let's take all the civilian, police and other Government-owned arms and melt them all down.//

Or how about if we just make them extremely difficult for civilians to obtain guns, with all sorts of checks and balances to minimise the risks of them falling into the wrong hands. And then not repeal or wind back any of those laws to placate the whining of the minute pro-gun lobby, but rather strengthen them where necessary.

In your second paragraph Toni LAVIS you suggested the authorities should perhaps mandate even further restrictions and obligations on applicants for a F/A licence. A very good idea no doubt. However, many of the really nasty weapons that are starting to appear on our streets, are both prohibited imports pursuant to the Customs Act, and not able to be licensed anyway. Being made available, exclusively, to military and law enforcement only. It might be worth noting also, the outlaw Bikie gangs are responsible for most of the illicit importation of these weapons anyway. Interestingly many of these 1%'s are engaged in all manner of criminality much of it involving unlawful importation.

Most serious F/A crime that occurs in Australia is committed by criminals anyway, and many of the weapons used are accessed from illicit sources, so the poor old legitimate shooter virtually has to pay the price by having even further restrictions imposed upon him.

My incisive knowledge of this, came about when I was briefly seconded (as a delegate) to; PSCC 'Protective Security Co-Ordination Centre'; which is/was a federal government initiative, introduced about forty years ago.

As far as our American cousins are concerned, in many things they're a very smart lot of people; but when it comes to the personal possession of F/A's; well what can you say?

The Mandalay Bay Hotel and Convention Centre is the perfect example of the hollowness of 'gun control' rhetoric. The Hotel and Centre is a declared 'gun and weapon free zone' and has a substantial security force.

Automatics? Banned in the US for thirty years. It was the slack Obama and other politicians who talk the political spin of 'gun control', but did nothing despite the ease of doing so, to ban a device that defeated the law against automatics.

That is why laws must be based on evidence, with the risks professionally identified and treated with practical, effective and robust controls. 'Gun Control' is NOT effective regulation and nor can it take the place of it. 'Gun control' is the creature of sly billionaires and their political friends, who have a vested interest in disrupting and blocking any discussion and independent research into the social and other problems, such as the contribution of media sensationalism, that could be the underlying contributors to the prolific African American gun violence and to the commission of mass murder and terrorism.

Of course there are political interests and lobbyists who have been trying to frame the current awful mass murder as simply and solely a 'gun control' problem.

Without wanting to contribute to the uninformed whose 'gun control' spin and the interests it protects absolutely have to get in first to limit and censor debate, what if there is a link between sociopaths (psychopaths) or the growing narcissism in society and high risk activities such as alcohol abuse and gambling?

Add to that the unlikelihood of the spin that the mass killer, who had explosives as well and attempted arson through failed attempts to ignite massive jet fuel tanks nearby, was so incredibly lucky (his 'skill' the 'meeja' would have a doubting public believe), that he received special 'high roller' celebrity status and treatment.

Without doubt this massive assault against humanity could be the bellwether of growing problems in society that to date have not been surfaced for study and for review of economic and social policies that are going hellishly wrong.