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Posted by mmadpat, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 10:12:24 PM
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SR,
Please read my posts before issuing a half arsed response. I never claimed that there was an alternative, just that the claim that is was only one factor was implausible given the significant changes in societal values over the last 6 years (2017-2011=6 of which Trump has only really affected the last year or so). And the resulting backlash. The recent rise of identity politics and the "thought police" to punish those that dissented has attempted to redefine morality, and for many such, as the white evangelicals it probably came down to a choice of the lesser evil. The arrow of causality might point to Trump being elected because of the change in values rather than vice versa. Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 12:49:12 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
Half arsed? Hell mate, at least I went and checked the date of the surveys before posting the figure of 5 years. And I have looked at your posts but you seemed not to have looked at the article with any detail at all otherwise you wouldn't be attributing anything of significance to societal changes. To have the Republicans outstrip the Democrats, and the White Evangelicals outstrip all other denominations after significantly trailing them means common sense surely dictates the only significant factor as being Trump. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/ Further the religiously non-aligned figure can be justifiably used as a base line figure for societal changes and it was relatively steady. Look I understand you get off on being a contrarian but at least do us the courtesy of backing it up with something of substance. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 1:34:55 PM
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Trump holds bible studes in the Whitehouse.
Obama's Whitehouse stopped 5 times a day for the Koran. Trump said 'God Bless America' all the time, and campained for their votes, Hillary only started saying it when she had when she knew the numbers werent good. Hillary was after the immigrant / gay / progressive / younger vote. What the hell is this thread about? What are you trying to say? And your using stats that were from CNN Fake news. No wonder you're confused Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 4:14:43 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,
I've just come across a very interesting link that explains why conservative Evangelicals have lined up behind Trump. It's written by Dr Molly Worthen, who's a historian of American religion. She graduated from Yale in 2003 and earned a PhD in American Religious History in 2011. She's Assistant Professor of History at the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill). Her most recent book,"Apostles of Reason," is the History of American Evangelicals since 1945. What she says makes perfect sense. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/05/a-match-made-in-heaven/521409/ Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 4:54:23 PM
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Dear Foxy,
Thank you for the link Some of it I think is overworked purely because I don't sense there was much historical thinking that went into gut reactions of Trump supporters but I do think the Prosperity Gospel linkages certainly had merit. Dear Armchair Critic, I'm wondering if you are able to take the time to be a little more coherent in your posts. Making solid points backed by evidence might be a start. For instance, where pray tell did you get the notion that the Obama White House stopped 5 times a day for Muslim prayers? Perhaps if we concentrate on teasing this point out before we address other things might be a process we can both get something from. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 2 August 2017 10:22:35 PM
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I haven't used the msm for years as they are all just propaganda.