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Trump and Situational Ethics.

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Two old timers spring to light:
John F Kennedy and
Bill Clinton.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 1:58:45 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

I agree that white Evangelicals in the US will forgive
Donald Trump almost everything because he is so
anti-Muslim. Part of their beliefs is that they think
that Trump is acting rationally.

Have you heard of the Christian "end-timers?"

The US is full of these.

I'm so glad that we left that country to come back
home.

But lo and behold - look what I've found on this
forum... who would have thought.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 2:02:38 PM
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No you're full of crap Foxy, (no offense)
Instead of challenging my sources (in which case my sources are the actual investigative journalists that have been uncovering the story for the last 290 days non-stop every day on youtube) why don't you argue the facts?

Instead of arguing because I've said something that got your nose out of joint.

Are you saying that the Brookings Institude did not produce a publication advocating for false flag attacks on US soil to start a war with Iran called 'Which Path to Persia'
Are you saying they also did not also advocate a war in Syria, presumable as a stepping stone to war with Iran?
Have you actually seen the video by General Wesley Clark directly after 911 with plan to take down 7 countries in 5 years, including Iran?
Look it up.

I have the internet and I know how to use it.
Obviously you don't.

Maybe you're all upset with the things I say, but that doesn't mean it's not true. The time you waste arguing you could look the stuff up yourselves or argue over something you actually know about.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 2:09:55 PM
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Yeah Foxy, try applying the same narratives for regressives

I agree that blacks and feminist in the US will forgive
Obama almost everything because he is so
anti-Christian. Part of their beliefs is that they think
that Obama is acting rationally.

You are a prime example of someone whose narrative is so predictive. Yes Christians have a variety of beliefs about end times however most are not nearly as wackie as those who are in plain denial when it comes to Islam.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 2:10:31 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

So you think that CounterPunch and TruNews are
investigative and reputable news sources and
the Brookings Institution is crap?

In that case there's nothing more to be said.
I would be wasting my time trying to argue
with either your logic or your "facts."

Dear runner,

Tor Hundloe in his book, "From Buddha to Bono: Seeking
Sustainability," points out that -

One of the saving graces of the Cold War was that
it was conducted by somewhat rational people in Washington
and Moscow. Christian fundamentalists did not gain control
of the White House during the Cold War, and the Soviets
for all their wrongdoings believed in heaven on earth
(pure communism) because that was all there ever could be
in their atheistic world. There is no greater reason
for living the good life, which requires seeking the good
life for one's fellows, than accepting that this one is
the only one we have.

It is in this context of religious fatalism that we can
understand suicide bombers. They think they are acting
rationally according to their beliefs. So are the
Christian "end timers," who would bring an Armageddon today
if they could.

An end-timer is someone who believes the end of time is near -
there will be a great battle - the battle of Armageddon in
Israel - and the Messiah will return to earth and govern
for 1000 years, and all the world's Jews will be destroyed
if they don't convert to Christianity.

Ironically, the Jews are needed to fulfil this Old
Testament prophecy, as they have to conquer all the so-called
"Biblical Lands" before Armageddon is possible.

This helps explain the unholy alliance between American
end-timers and Jewish fundamentalists.

So much for this inelegant indulgence with the sad-state of
the world today.

If you want to pursue the matter in a concise (absolutely
brilliant) book, there is Sam Harris' (2006) "Letter to a
Christian Nation" - a letter to believers in the US.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 3:46:54 PM
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SR,

Irrespective of the author's credentials, the moment one says "I can think of only one credible answer" then I believe the person hasn't been thinking very hard.

While Trump may be a big factor, the erosion in the belief of those purporting to be moral is a large factor too, for example, the Catholic Church, and the relative non-performance of Obama.

While I'm not a fan of Trump, I believe much of his success was because he wasn't Hilary.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 4:19:18 PM
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