Dear Shallow Minister,

Mate, a charge of antisemitism was completely expected from your good self. You have it so ingrained now that it is practically a Tourettes response. Despite the fact, as we have previously ascertained, you are not Jewish. We arrived at the conclusion back then that your stance was purely political, as in this is the path your party has decided to take, and you have gone along with it in the usual slavish fashion. Most people would think it as sycophantic and more than a little demeaning but you seem to engage in it with relish.

You also chose to raise the red herring of;

“From what I recall Malaysia has an automatic right of entrance to Muslims. Does this make Muslims Malaysian citizens?”

This is for a visiting visa, not migration, and include a group of Islamic countries, not all mind you.

There are three pathways for a non-Israeli Australian wishing to serve in the IDF;

IDF Mahal - Jewish or Zakai Aliya (one of your parents or one of your grandparents is/was Jewish)
IDF Mahal Nahal Haredi - Jewish (religious/haredi only)
IDF Mahal Hesder - Jewish (religious/dati only)

The last two are for men only.
http://www.mahal-idf-volunteers.org/about/join.htm#mahalqualifications

So I ask again, what would an Australian who served in the IDF have to do to satisfy the Australian constitution in order to eligible to sit in our parliament?

Dear Shadow Minister,

How many Muslims are there in our Parliament?

Perhaps SteeleRedux chose Jewish Parliamentarians
because there's more of them - and by the way,
kindly answer his question and try not to divert.

Dear Foxy,

I should be clear about this. My original post was prompted by this article;

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-australians-who-go-to-war-for-the-israeli-and-greek-armies-20140911-10fj89.html

Why it gets interesting of course lies in the fact that Israel is notionally identified by many people as a Jewish state and the 'right of return' is such an emphatic emblem of that mindset.

This means that for a sizable number of Australian Jews there understandably lies a division of loyalty between Israel and Australia. This is usually not a issue until instances like the assassination of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai where Australian passports amongst others were used to assist the killers.

“But were the Israeli dual nationals whose foreign passports were allegedly forged unaware that their identities were stolen by the Mossad? Or were they acting as sayanim, the Hebrew word for helpers, whom the Mossad relies on across the globe to provide shelter, money, and logistical support... in this case identity. A sayan, singular for sayanim, must be 100% Jewish, and in many cases a dual national.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamal-dajani/mossads-little-helpers_b_487173.html

I have no issue with an Australian who identifies themselves as Jewish putting the interests of Israel above those of Australia. I think I would too if I were in their shoes. But the Australian constitution is very clear about banning those “under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power” from taking a seat in our Federal Parliament.

Israel is a foreign power.

To be eligible for Israeli citizenship, one must:

1. Be a Jew; the spouse of a Jew who is not an Israeli citizen; the child of a Jew; or a grandchild of a Jew.
2. If they have ever been a Jew, they must have never willingly converted to another religion (but Israel's supreme court ruled that this rule is void if the person had since forsaken their new religion).
3. Be physically present in Israel.
4. Express their wish to settle in Israel.
5. Not be currently working against the Jewish nation.
6. Not pose a health or security risk to Israel.
7. Not have a criminal record which might endanger the public.
8. Not be a minor who came to Israel on their own without his/her parents/guardians.

Jewish parliamentarians who are in Australia, obviously do not fulfil condition #3, so they are ineligible.

Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for explaining.

It is a complex issue.

Dear Yuyutsu,

Thank You for clarifying things for us.

SR,

The right of return for Jews into Israel is not automatic, and the comparison with Muslims into Malaysia is very close. And that there are fewer Muslim MPs than Jewish is irrelevant.

"A non-Israeli Jew or an eligible descendant of a non-Israeli Jew needs to request approval to immigrate to Israel, a request which can be denied for a variety of reasons including (but not limited to) possession of a criminal record, currently infected with a contagious disease, or otherwise viewed as a threat to Israeli society. Eligible applicants under the Law of Return have no claim to any of the rights or privileges of an Israeli citizen until they are formally granted Israeli citizenship. This is possible after three months of residency in Israel. New arrivals are issued an Israeli Travel Document during this period, after which they are granted citizenship."

Your anti-Jewish / Israeli stance is also an automatic reflex as shown in another of your posts: "And Alan would you then also make the case for sterilising Jewish settler women?" as is your automatic assumption that Australian Jews who had their identities stolen were complicit.

To answer your question, I believe that serving in an overseas army is not an obstacle to being an MP unless it was a state hostile to Australia. As neither Greece nor Israel is regarded as hostile or terrorist states, there is no issue.

What is your view of Australian soldiers seconded to the US or the UK?