Dear Shadow Minister,

Australian soldiers seconded to the US or the UK
are simply following orders. Which as soldiers
is what they are supposed to do.

It's different for private individuals who may have a conflict
of interest in their loyalties though, and they
want to become a member of our Parliament.
Different situation altogether.

So when an Australian, of Jewish persuasion, goes to Israel to do his stint in the Israeli army, what is he doing it as....an Australian?

' So when an Australian, of Jewish persuasion, goes to Israel to do his stint in the Israeli army, what is he doing it as....an Australian?'

a lot less concerning than a young person going to Hamas to learn how to strap a bomb or behead the 'right' way.

I didn't ask about what concerned you, or what you might believe....I asked a simple question and if you don't have an answer other than to confuse the issue....butt out!

Dear ilmessaggio,

Not had the time to properly look into it but this blog post by an American who also joined as a 'lone soldier' might shed some light.

Here is the oath he swore. He is not an Israeli citizen but is certainly Jewish.

"I hereby commit myself to remain loyal to the State of Israel, its constitution and official government and to accept unconditionally and unhesitantly the weight of responsibility of the Israeli Defense Forces, and to obey orders and commands given by my official commanders and to devote all my strength and even sacrifice my life in the defense of my homeland and the freedom of Israel."
http://fromusatoidf.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/i-am-idf.html

Dear Shadow Minister,

As Foxy said seconded soldiers do no swear oaths of allegiance to a foreign power.

You also wrote;

"and the comparison with Muslims into Malaysia is very close"

Absolute tripe! It is exceedingly difficult for someone to become a citizen of Malaysia whether they are Muslim or not.

You also wrote this;

“Your anti-Jewish / Israeli stance is also an automatic reflex as shown in another of your posts: "And Alan would you then also make the case for sterilising Jewish settler women?" as is your automatic assumption that Australian Jews who had their identities stolen were complicit.”

More drivel. I made an entirely valid point that Alan was proposing sterilization to address 'war through the womb' for Gazan women then by his definition it should apply even more to illegal settlers in the West Bank because of their higher fertility rate. He was quick to disown it which was the reason for the comparison.

It was not my 'automatic assumption' about Australians perhaps being complicit in having their identities stolen rather it was the Huffington Post.

All of the Australians whose passports were copied are from Victoria but have lived in Israel for an extended time. I think there is a case to be made that Mossad could make high quality forgeries through having direct access to these passports. Are you saying there was zero cooperation between this group of Victorians and Mossad?

SR,

What bollocks, you are simply flying a kite on a very long line. Because someone has a chance at applying for Israeli citizenship does not make him a citizen, or even vaguely mean that he owes more allegiance to Israel than Australia. Frankly, your implication that the Australians who had their identities stolen were Israeli spies is disgusting.

Given that there have been 13 Islamist terrorist attacks thwarted and 2 not prevented in the last few years and not one Jewish attack, I would say that your anti-Semitic racism is misdirected.

I would say that a youngster that pledges allegiance to the IDF for a limited time in a support role will have mixed loyalties at that point. However, if he does not take Israeli citizenship and decade later runs for parliament it would take a lot to show that his loyalties lay elsewhere.

With regards to Malaysia, it is considerably easier to gain citizenship if you are Muslim, as thousands do every year.