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My plea to fellow Muslims: you must renounce terror.
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Posted by stevenlmeyer, Sunday, 1 July 2007 7:29:04 PM
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The problem is the role of Islam in Islamic terror.
Face the facts: The Quran is full of calls for hate and violence against non-Muslims. Islam's great prophet, the man that all Muslims love and respect, their role model, was a man that murdered, plundered, tortured, enslaved, raped and even beat his own wife. These things are found in Islam's own traditions (hadith)and first biographies of their prophet, written by his friends and followers, not his enemies. Perhaps, maybe, who knows, that explains the link to terror. Mohammad himself said "I am made victorious with terror." These bombers and terrorists are just doing what their religion commands. They are praticing Islam, not their 'interpretation' of Islam, not a perverted form of Islam, as we hear so often. The terror will continue. It doesn't make any difference what non-Muslims do. After the war in Iraque ends, they will continue with terror and find another excuse. Month after month, year after year, these things happen, and Muslims can't seem to find a link between violence and - what is the name of that religion? Muslims are either in denial or dishonest. Time after time I have given references and links to these things, yet it never makes a difference. They don't care. It is always another's fault. They blame terror on everybody and everything. The problems in Islamic societies have nothing to do with Islam either, of course. You cannot be for Mohammad and against terror. You cannot expect honesty from people who will not acknowledge what is written in their own writings. You cannot trust people that say "Praise be unto him" after the name of a man that did the evil things that Mohammad did. As you may have noticed here at OLO, I have given links and quotes to these vile things many times, and it never makes a difference. If our Muslims 'friends' here know about these things (they do!) and they still make the usual excuses and say these things have nothing to do with the 'real Islam' - well figure it out yourself. J. Kactuz Posted by kactuz, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:18:22 AM
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"the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology."
BS ALERT! Someone neglected to insert the word "extremist". We have no idea what the motives of this writer is, or the circumstances of his disaffection. Traitors often tell you what you want to hear, as in the case of Iraq, in exchange for money, acceptance or influence. This all assumes he is not an agent for an intelligence agency also. "And as with previous terror attacks, people are again articulating the line that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy." Another ommission is the word, "nearly" or "mostly to do with". By using the word "all", the writer disingenuously sets up a strawman. The writer also apparently disagrees with, "a 22 year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). From 1996 to 1999, he was the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka Alec Station), the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center" http://eric.langborgh.com/?p=557 Posted by Steel, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:31:04 AM
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kactuz, this is especially for you, and others equally blind to the most widespread western religion, Christianity.
http://www.evilbible.com/ If you are unsure where to start, how about the section entitled, "Rape in the Bible" http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm Or how about "Ritual Human Sacrifice" http://www.evilbible.com/Ritual_Human_Sacrifice.htm Posted by Steel, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:38:59 AM
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Mr Steel,
And what has the Bible to do with me? Have I ever argued from a Christian point of view? Have I ever cited the Bible or Christianity in my comments? You must be confusing me with DB. Christians have never threatened me. I can take them or leave them, or almost any other faith. Only one religion has said to me things like "I am going to get you" and "I am going to find out where you live." The moment that the followers of Mr Mohammad did that, they made an enemy. I read their Quran, hadiths and other writings. I began to make comments. I noticed that Muslims are not honest about their own religion; they lie and deny everything and always blame others - as they continue to do violence. The vile, evil accounts in Islam do not bother them. Logic and reason are not to be found in Islam or among Muslims. They are hypocrites, wanting for themselves that they deny to others. Mr Steel, I ask you a simple question: Was Mohammad a good man? A simple yes or no will be nice. Kactuz PS: A few quotes from an Islamic site on "Insight into apostacy in Islam" in which Muslims discuss how to kill people who leave Islam, from http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128043 “Waging war against Islam is not limited only to fighting with weapons, rather it may be done verbally such as defaming Islam or the Prophet (blablabla), or attacking the Quran, and so on. Waging verbal war against Islam may be worse than waging war against it with weapons.“ "Islam tells us to do it. Nothing an atheist can say will change our mind. Debate is futile." So I guess there are a bunch of people who post here that deserve to be crucified and mutilated, as specified in the Quran for those who fight Islam. Nice people, those, and really tolerant. PSS: Did you see in the news the men that bombed Glasglow airport and ran off yelling "Buddha, Buddha" Posted by kactuz, Monday, 2 July 2007 7:38:52 AM
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Dear Steel. If I took the attitude of Islam (and many individual Muslims) such as here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29HU3j7r9Ys&mode=related&search= (yes..I did notice the vid was produced by the BNP, but the signs are Muslim) ..toward your comments about the Bible, mate... you are a dead man :) I would have my 'hit squad' being readied.. training them.... to hunt you down and slaughter you.. BUT WAIT.... "I'm Christian" :) we simply don't do that. Nor can we ever find justification for it in our Bible. You are free to insult the Lord Jesus, God, the Church, Christians, and our response is: "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16) Jesus said "My kingdom is not 'of' this world, if it were, my disciples would fight and defend me" So, you are safe. But am I ? Questions. 1/ Are you Muslim? 2/ Do you know the meaning of Surah 4:24 ? I claim it means 'prostitution in the guise of temporary marraiage'and Shia Muslims agree with me about the validity of the practice, but not my word 'prostitution'. but in any language 'money for sex' is prostitution. I don't care WHAT name or sweet adjectives the practice is surrounded with in Muslim web sites or in posts/comments here. Money... for sex..is prostitution. 3/ Do you agree with surah 9:30 ? Congratulations to Steven for again coming up with a very well sourced and timely article. Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 2 July 2007 8:49:03 AM
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When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.
By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.
Friday's attempt to cause mass destruction in London with strategically placed car bombs is so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that it is likely to have been carried out by my former peers.
And as with previous terror attacks, people are again articulating the line that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy. For example, yesterday on Radio 4's Today programme, the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: 'What all our intelligence shows about the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq.'
He then refused to acknowledge the role of Islamist ideology in terrorism and said that the Muslim Brotherhood and those who give a religious mandate to suicide bombings in Palestine were genuinely representative of Islam.
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See:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2115891,00.html
My own comments:
In a democracy there are many legitimate ways of protesting policy or trying to have it changed. No democracy can afford to allow its policies to be dictated by internal terrorists. That way lies anarchy and destruction.
ABOVE ALL, secular democracies cannot afford to give in to religiously inspired terrorism.