@ Paul.

Understanding something is a far, far cry from condoning it!

Not even close.

The acts of terror are not being carried out by 'some' muslims...the acts of terror are being carried out by THOUSANDS of muslims. Thousands and thousands, right across the globe including their own countries, even against each other and their own women.

My justification comment was my answer to Is Mise who said at least the muslims have a reason to kill..their prophet said so..which was, of course the most disgusting and pathetic reason to kill I've ever heard of, and comes from a completely fabricated fairy tale load of rubbish.
But you know that don't you.

I have no god, I have a brain and commonsense so please don't talk about 'my god' as I'm fully atheist and stopped believing in pie in the sky rot from about aged 10

Darren Osborne - the perpetrator of this incident in
Finsbury Park, UK has been described by his neighbours
as being "aggressive" and "strange". His hatred and
obsession with Muslims was well known. Apparently he
did have mental issues. And that is now obvious from
what he did.

The Prime Minister Theresa May made quite clear
"hatred and evil will not succeed." And the actions of
people that followed this attack clearly shows the power
of solidarity that has been expressed by so many good
citizens in the UK.

An imam and other men "protected the
attacker from the mob," immediately following the incident.
A vigil was held for the victims in Finsbury Park that
evening in which leaders of various faiths expressed solidarity.
Therefore the actions of a lone disturbed man ended up uniting
a community instead of dividing it. It had the opposite effect
to what was intended by that troubled soul.

It gives one hope that if we unite to fight hatred - much good
can be achieved. Yes indeed - you will reap what you sow.

Paul,

"You can't not condone revenge killing, then on the other hand legitimize it by claim its justified. Is it justified or not"

Right with you on that.

Moonshine is the name and apparently the favourite drink; there must be some reason.

moonshine,

I can understand Paul’s assumption about your religious status. You referred to Islam as a “fake religion” earlier (It’s not. It is a religion in every sense of the word). This could suggest that you think one of the religions is real (or true).

On another note, I think you’ve misunderstood what Is Mise was saying. The point he was making was that Islamic doctrine supports what terrorists do. If Islam is true, then killing infidels is justified. If Christianity is true, on the other hand, then turning the other check and owning slaves is justified.

No, AJ, owning a slave is not justified whether or not Christianity is true. If you think Christianity justifies it, you clearly don't know much about Christianity.

@Foxy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 12:52:46 PM

That is a fair summation.

Given that this offender's aberrant behaviour was known to family, neighbours and local traders, it would surprise if he was not already known to authorities. But likely enough through poor planning by government, there were no facilities and no means/facility whereby there could have been any intervention before.

It is probably another case where the family was left to cope. There were no mental health and 'drop in' facilities, even a 'sheltered workshop' where this man could have found a place, treatment and observation to keep him out of trouble.

To protect their behinds, politicians from all parties would be rushing to find some other reason for his offence. It would never do to admit the obvious, that mental health is poorly planned and poorly funded by government.

In Australia, where I walk along foreshores late afternoon and evening, the homeless are often on the move and passing through, security sees to that. Some with shopping trolleys, on bikes and many living in cars. It would be the unusual case where drugs(& booze) and mental* issues are not involved. Most simply cannot manage their lives without some support. They may have been ejected by relatives who could not stand the strain and drain on their own health and resources.

*Some simply have incompetence (or marginal competence) in some of the necessary self-management areas of life, such as handling money. Or they may have financial illiteracy and difficulty completing (government) forms.

There is no facility for them and there should be. I am not excusing the UK offender.

What is needed is not more laws but better government planning and management of resources. Maybe some politicians should get out of those cars and walk around occasionally. Maybe they are too cunning to do that.