Thank you BAZZ for that Link apropos the German Police, a very serious state of affairs for sure. FYI; The Germans have one of the best counter-terrorist groups in the Western World; GS-G9.

I've not heard details of this alleged retaliatory action against a Mosque in London? If true this will only worsen the government's position in their pursuit of stopping incidences of terrorism. If Cabinet perceives the civilian police of not being in control, or incapable of keeping the community safe.

In relation to this country at least, they'll introduce the emergency laws which currently exist, and are already on the books so to speak, and hand over the functions of law-enforcement to either SAC-PAV or PSCC to regain community order, using the Military assets instead of police.

If the military take control, they'll quickly introduce far tougher methods and restrictions then you'll ever see from the police. Martial law; curfews; stop and search (at gunpoint) and other onerous restrictions placed upon the civilian population. The last of which I saw personally in Ulster, in the late 1980's when I was undertaking training with the RUC on 'Hadrian & Hobo' (Remote 'Bomb Ignition Vehicles') used for IED's.

There's absolutely no room for vigilantism; whatever the reason. It places the authorities in an unenviable position, All that will do is reduce and weaken police resolve to nail the real culprits, the terrorists themselves, not just a bunch of angry young men, who possess very little understanding of the difficulties confronting the government and the police force in these troubled times.

And you're perfectly correct BAZZ I should keep well away from my ex colleague/mates! At my age all I wish to do is live in quiet oblivion, not worry about criminals of any variety.

Bazz your opening post and some comments since appear to be applauding the attack. Suggesting that muslims however innocent of support for terrorism are getting what they deserve. Were you trying to say something different?

R0bert

No-one is applauding the attack on the London mosque!

We are merely saying that we understand it! there just comes a time when even the worm turns, but that is completely different from condoning the killing of innocent people no matter what the reasons.

I detest the muslim fake religion because it's a croc of rubbish from the long dead pedophile they worship to the mutilation of women's privates to the absolute rot of women covering up to avoid being raped, or whatever pathetic reason is used for that particular habit.

The 4 wives crap, the 72 virgins rot, the falling on your face with butt in the air 5 times a day.. and every other completely stupid, backward and downright insane nonsense they come up with. How any sensible person with at least half a cup of commonsense can condone such ridiculous and fictitious rot is beyond me.

And that's not even going anywhere near the mass killings of infidels that they seem to take great delight in.

I've no time for any religion but that one takes the cake on every level.

The mosque in question has had a reputation for producing terrorists in the past; it should have been bulldozed years ago.

A drunken Welshman should not be taking revenge; the UK government should be doing it, by taking a leaf out of Israel's book. Israel punishes the family and associates of terrorists by confiscating their housing and goods, banning them from receiving welfare and, if plots are hatched at a mosque, razing the mosque to the ground.

RObert, it is probably already too late for anything but a civil war. Will we win, well with our crazy gun laws, a lot more of them will have guns than we do.

My son is currently living with a mate in Carlton, a couple of stations south of Rockdale on the Cronulla line, while doing some navy reserve time.

He & his mate will only get off the train at Allawah, the next station, & closer to the house, if they are together. Even with the pair & in daylight, they are regularly followed, at a safe distance, by a group of 20 something year old Muslim men, behaving most threateningly.

When duty times cause them to travel alone, they catch a taxi from Rockdale. These are a couple of defence force trained fit young men, much more capable of defending themselves than most, but even together they would not get off a train at Allawah at night.

This is the Muslim push to get the Australians, {& I mean that} out of the area, now they have moved in. It is equally dangerous for a white man to walk alone in Canterbury, Bankstown, & a number of other districts in Sydney. Non Muslim women would be mad to go near the places, except in an M1A2 Abrams tank.

It is not a matter of if we will lose control of large tracts of our cities, it is now past tense, we have lost them now.

I guess it is not all bad. At least the Muslim takeover will eliminate the Women's libbers, & the same sex mirage garbage, & I guess we can get used to dirty smelly feet.

I think if they keep bringing big tribes in here, it is more than our cities that will be
no go zones..

Eventually they will push for separatists states when they have enough numbers.

This will lead to pieces of Australia being divided up into separate countries
unless we win the battles.

I have said multiculturalism will lead to this for many years now, even before
all these terrorists attacks began.

I study history, I can see this clearly.
The academics look at history and say, oh remember the terrible German holocaust it
shows us we must bring in all these big tribes and live in tolerance.

It doesn't teach me that. What it conveys to me is. One ethnic group absolutely
ethnically cleansed the other ethnic group to regain control of the land and resources
But it happens just as much the other way around, when the immigrant tribe, like the
Tamil Tigers fights a 20year guerilla war to divide up the country of Sri Lanka.

What the hell is wrong with our academics why do they teach ideology and not fact.
Look at the mess it has led to.