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Posted by leoj, Sunday, 18 June 2017 3:18:19 PM
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that is what happens leoj when a nation denies absolutes. Secular Humanism sees the elite taking sides rather than championing the truth. If you or I committed an offence we would be disqualified from public office. On the left breaking the law seems to be a badge of honour.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 18 June 2017 11:06:55 PM
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If someone had the intelligence to actually check her out and found something not right she probably would have played the racist card.
The question is how many more fakes are out there sucking on the public purse. It is about time Public servants are held accountable for there stuff ups. The use of the racist card needs to be more thoroughly examined. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 18 June 2017 11:37:33 PM
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Good to see you three have once more applied the "presumption of innocence" before finding someone guilty as charged, which Ms Sharobeem may well be. But correct me if I am wrong, but is not the ICAC in the process of investigating the matter, and has not as yet come to any conclusions.
I have long agreed with the NSW ICAC and the work it has undertaken investigating correction in the State, despite some politicians and others, trying to white ant the commission, it has been very successful. Its adverse findings of corrupt behavior by politicians both Labor and Liberal is well documented. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 19 June 2017 7:30:54 AM
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Paul1405,
That is a news report you are objecting to. But of course the Greens would be wanting to pull the tarpaulin over corruption and wastage of money in the victim industry. It's a big joke on the public isn't it and it is only taxpayers' money where the Greens are concerned. "Eman Sharobeem ICAC revelations should horrify taxpayers .. In 2014 Ms Sharobeem nominated herself to the Australian of the Year awards – and for the first time on Thursday the public saw her claims: a PhD in psychology, a PhD in management and organisational leadership, a masters degree of social science. The Australian of the Year awards accepted her as a category finalist. For 11 years Ms Sharobeem ran the Immigrant Women's Health Service, a non-profit, publicly funded organisation funded by NSW Health, with funds also coming from Family and Community Services and The Smith Family. To date, broadcaster SBS, which employed Ms Sharobeem after she left the IWHS, has declined to comment on her CV. Social Services Minister Christian Porter last year announced Ms Sharobeem as a member of the Settlement Services Advisory Council. A spokeswoman has said the department conducted due diligence. But where was the oversight? Is the support of some of the weakest in society subject to a quick check of someone's CV with no due diligence? These revelations should horrify taxpayers." [SMH June16,2017] http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/eman-sharobeem-icac-revelations-should-horrify-taxpayers-20170615-gwrvqh.html Posted by leoj, Monday, 19 June 2017 9:34:24 AM
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Leoj
With a headline of "Eman Sharobeem ICAC revelations should horrify taxpayers" is that a statement made by the ICAC? No, I think not, more the headline of a newspaper. Then that headline is linked to undisputed facts, a standard bit of journalism. The inference is Ms Sharobeem has done something wrong, she may well have. I am not defending the woman at all. But I will let the ICAC conduct its investigation first, before pronouncing judgment. As for your usual bit of guff, and sour comments about The Greens. We are thankful for the work the NSW ICAC has done in uncovering corruption in this state. Your gal Pauline is fortunate that there is no Federal ICAC, looking into matters concerning her, and One Nation's, financial claims against the taxpayer. A federal ICAC is Greens policy, not the policy of your mob I see Leo. Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:31:48 AM
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Had the lady in question been claiming benefits from Centrelink there would have been a quick investigation of her claims and status.
It seems that the higher the educational claims the less the scrutiny, particularly by Government and Medical hirers. Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:40:47 AM
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leoj,
I watched "A Current Affair" on Channel 9 a while back on Eman Sharobeem. At that time they only mentioned a small amount of the charges against her but still that small amount was horrific enough. They hadn't yet delved into her lies and lack of qualifications. They concentrated on her spending tax payer's money - buying her husband a Mercedes, spending money on jewellery, cosmetic surgery, paying for her son's overseas travels, paying off her home and then selling it for over one and a half million dollars, and the list went on. I just sat there dumbfounded. How could this happen? How could this person get away with all of that? And to top it all off she nominated herself for "Australian of The Year" award. The lady obviously must have mental problems. What gets to me though is how did she get into the kind of position that she managed to hold for so long? Why did no one check on her credentials? And how come she was not accountable for her spending? If a staff member had not reported her - the woman would still be doing what she did in the past - today. I know that we should wait for the courts to pass judgement on this woman instead of us doing it. But in this case the facts cannot be ignored. They speak for themselves. She has to be held accountable. But more than that - the system that allowed this to happen should also be investigated. And thoroughly - to ensure that this does not happen again. It makes me angry to think that this woman was stealing from the poor. The very people she was supposed to be helping. How sad is that. What kind of a creature does that - and then screams in court that "You're torturing me". http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-10/eman-sharobeem-accuses-icac-of-torturing-her/8513990 Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:41:32 AM
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It is a double-edged sword: the money doesn't ever reach the people it is intended for and needed services are not supplied, and secondly, the resulting criticisms, especially from disaffected public can reduce the monies allocated next time, or even see the service disbanded.
God help the courageous, public-spirited whistleblowers though, for their present and future employment, and personal lives too, are always on the block. There should be a significant $reward and an Australia Day gong for the risks they knowingly take in coming forward. Posted by leoj, Monday, 19 June 2017 11:42:23 AM
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Paul,
You are being more than a little hypocritical considering that in the thread you started, you assumed that the liberal MPS were guilty of contempt of court. I will think that you will also find that ICAC specifically mentioned that while the liberal MPs had broken the law with respect to donations that they had not acted corruptly. Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:04:34 PM
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Paul1405 - Good to see you make broad incorrect statements without reading and comprehending what you have read, you seem to be doing this a lot lately.
Posted by Philip S, Monday, 19 June 2017 4:05:15 PM
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As long as I don't find myself agreeing with you Phil. Then I certainly would need to make corrections.
Shadow, the ICAC claimed the scalps of two Liberal Primers. the first to fall on his sward was Nick Greiner. Then the boozy but hapless Barry O'Farrell went, set up by members of his own party. Telling another porky Shadow; saying "considering that in the thread you (Paul1405) started, you assumed that the liberal MPS were guilty of contempt of court." AN UNTRUE STATEMENT SHADOW TOTALLY UNTRUE! What I said was; <<(Liberal MP's) face the prospect of being charged with contempt of court, if found guilty, the three may well be ineligible to sit in Parliament as per the Constitution.>> Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 19 June 2017 9:04:18 PM
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There's a new name for all this type of bs.
It's mostly reserved for the ANTIFA crowd and their willful destruction of property to whoever doesn't agree with their views. 'Leftwing Terrorism.' The media may as well be complicit in it because it more or less supports the same left wing agendas. "Move along nothing to see here, and if there is then you must believe the story we tell you." Tell me any coincidence other foreigners like Yassmin Abdel-Magied also were finalists in Australian of the Year? Why can't a True Blue Aussie be recognised for anything? Not politically correct and no agenda to serve. Our country has been stolen from us by leftwing terrorists, and is now totally rotten down to the core. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:09:21 AM
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Paul,
You also said "However the boofheads may well have known in advance what they were doing was wrong, and the possible ramifications of such action. Yet as a test of the judiciary's resolve they went ahead and acted in defiance. Now the courts must act, unlike these guys, with impartiality. " Which means that you have already decided their guilt. Secondly your statement "Its adverse findings of corrupt behavior by politicians both Labor and Liberal is well documented." is completely false. Continuing to repeat this in spite of knowing it is a lie makes you look as dodgy as a Labor minister. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:23:28 AM
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It is not very often that I agree with Paul but on this matter I do, in that all posters on this thread are 'jumping the gun' as the thread refers to an inquiry that is still underway.
It seems that allegations have been made about a person by the SMH and now by the ICAC, but the inquiry is ongoing and, as yet, no court proceedings have been instigated. I am prepared to wait until any charges are finalized in court before commenting. It would not be the first time that allegations by a newspaper have been found to be incorrect. My only knowledge of the accused person is that she has came out strongly against the practice of underage marriage and has publicly said she knows of many that have taken place. I acknowledge her for that and expect that alone could give cause for some in Sydney's South West to hold a grudge against her. As the person in charge of the Immigrant Womens Medical Centre, she was in a position to have knowledge of underage marriages. Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 12:41:38 PM
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Banjo,
She either has those qualifications or not. Regarding official expenditure for example, any here who have ever had a government credit card or even the lowly fuel card would be aware of the conditions for use and the reconciliation. Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 2:54:49 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,
I'm not as pessimistic as you are about our country. I believe that voters do get it right in the end. And will do so again at the next election. And as for "True-Blue Aussies" being recognised? Here's just a small list of Australians of The Year: 2012 - Geoffrey Rush 2013 - Ita Buttrose 2014 - Adam Goodes 2015 - Rosie Batty 2016 - Lt. Gen. David Morrison 2017 - Alan Mackay-Sim We have a great deal to be Thankful for. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 4:05:03 PM
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leoj,
This woman may well be guilty of fraud, but it is far too early to assume that as at this point the allegations are just that, Allegations. It appears that most of your first post is lifted from the SMH and I can see at least one questionable statement in that. This relates to the procedure for nomination for Australian of the Year. The SMH has been known to print incorrect statements in the past. I also have not seen any allegations relating to a government credit card as per your latest post. It is grossly unfair to lynch someone on the basis of allegations. There may well be some people who will lie to convict a person who has strong views about underage marriage. Cultural traditions can be very hard to change. It is best to see what the ICAC findings are and then if and when any court proceedings have taken place. You may form your own opinions, but I will wait on the outcome of the legal procedure. Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 6:33:01 PM
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Dear Banjo,
Here's another link from the Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/eman-sharobeem-faces-corruption-watchdog-accused-of-rorting-public-of-685000-20170501-gvw224.html A Current Affair on Channel 9 dedicated an entire program to this woman. There are whistle-blowers who have come forward. There is evidence of her activities. But as you say - nobody can comment at present because the case is pending. Who knows she could claim a mental illness and walk. We'll have to wait and see. The evidence against her is overwhelming though. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 6:54:36 PM
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Foxy,
Thanks for the link, I had seen it before. As you know I have long had an interest in preventing FGM and underage marriage in Aus. Comments by Emam Sharobeem have came up for years in relation to underage marriages. Because she managed a medical centre, I took it the Doctor tittle referred to her medical quals, I just thought that she was seeing patients and giving medical advise to women that spoke little English. Her comments on underage marriage seemed to focus on the size of the young girls. Since the centre has closed, I hope the patients have found other alternatives to get medical advice from. Unfortunately the number of underage marriages is rising as is the rate of FGM and state governments seemingly reluctant to identify the 'at risk' girls Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:44:32 PM
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Shadow, by saying "may well have known" does not apply guilt or innocence, and their utterances are not in dispute, to say the court must act with "impartiality" does not imply guilt or innocence, the impartial finding may be in their favor.
Nick Greiner former NSW Liberal Premier, was found to have acted corruptly by the NSW ICAC. From the Labor side we will throw in Ian MacDonald, just to name one. So there is no lie on my part. On your side you can put in 'Boozy' Barry O'Farrell, also a Liberal premier, his demise the next day, after fronting the ICAC, can be put down to a catastrophic loss of memory! Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 7:19:30 AM
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Dear Banjo,
Thanks for that. Hopefully that centre will re-open once this case is finished. It's a pity that innocent people have to suffer because of this woman's fraudulent behaviour. All the more reason why she should have the book thrown at her. She's robbed not only taxpayers but the very people she's supposed to have helped. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 10:54:19 AM
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Paul,
There we go again with dishonesty. Nick Greiner on appeal was found not to have acted corruptly. Similarly no finding whatsoever was made against BOF. So you weren't telling the truth. In fact the only findings of corrupt behaviour are for labor. I do see that there is an accusation of rape against a greens staffer. Your comment? Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 1:47:24 PM
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Foxy, "She's robbed not only taxpayers but the very people she's supposed to have helped"
Exactly. And she has brought the services into disrepute. What is concerning though is that those who had a hand in her appointment in that and other roles and those who were charged with the responsibility to monitor, for instance CFO (finance executive) and Corporate Services executives may escape accountability. Australia is not as though this is a Third World country. Public administration in Australia is highly developed and there are regulations, guidelines and best practice manuals. There are audit committees and risk assessments and a program of audits. Executives are remunerated very well indeed for their professionalism and ethics. This errant fraudster is the tip of a iceberg where problems in governance of quangos and contracted services are concerned. So, what were those executives thinking? Or will the responsibility be rolled downhill to junior staff? The management controls are there, but obviously were not operating. But it takes action, not simply inaction to do that. Isn't the public entitled to know what went so wrong and who (plural!) are going to be held accountable for that? Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 3:16:20 PM
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My, "Australia is not as though this is a Third World country" should be,
"It is not as though Australia is a Third World country". Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 3:18:34 PM
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this coming to a street near you (unfortuntaley not where abc presenters and pollies live)
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/stamford-hill-estate-in-londons-north-in-lockdown-with-reports-of-armed-youths/news-story/c1856dc716cf6ba5bfe21acc734c5e9d?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook Posted by runner, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 4:42:04 PM
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leoj,
Of course the public is entitled to know what on earth happened in this case and why it happened. We can only hope that this case will not be swept under the rug as others have been in the past. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 5:14:16 PM
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Shadow, you can defend Shifty Nick and Boozy Barry all you like, you can defend the conga line of Liberals who also had adverse findings against them by the ICAC, but the people can be the judge.
As for the woman's allegations, she should take them to the police and not just air them in the "Court of Twitter". Do you want the NSW ICAC replaced with the 'Court of Twitter and Facebook'? Is that what you are on about. Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 23 June 2017 5:51:28 AM
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Paul,
Thanks for finally admitting that your comments with respect to NSW ICAC have been complete bollocks. As for public opinion, they have already spoken and rejected Labor and the greens. The woman has already taken her accusations to the police. The approach to the newspapers is to get them to take her beating at the hands of the Greens staffer seriously. Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 23 June 2017 7:32:17 AM
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Shadow, when Liberal defendants have been before the ICAC it has been standing room only. I do not defend Labor, or anyone who has adverse finding from the NSW ICAC, they can all crash and burn, like Nick and Barry did! Fortunately no Greens have ever had reason to front the Commission on charges, they must be just too honest.
What happen to Mike Baird, went off in a bit of a cloud did he not? Should I see if there is any "evidence" against him on your 'Court of Twitter' and have it put in Murdoch's gutter press as the public record? Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 23 June 2017 8:13:56 AM
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Paul,
I am not defending anyone, rather accosting the liars that accuse them of crimes they never committed. If you want the corrupt behaviour, you only need to look at Syph Hanson Young's record waste of taxpayer's money, or Disease Rhiannon's Soviet error, etc. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 25 June 2017 7:44:01 AM
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And Shadow, what ICAC or what commission made adverse findings of corruption as you claim exist, against Sarah and/or Lee? Put it up please, as your nect post, otherwise you are just telling another one of your porkies!
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 June 2017 8:12:42 PM
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Whoa boy Paul,
Unlike you, I am not making false claims that any MP has had adverse findings By ICAC of corruption against them. The greens and labor have all their proceeds of crime laundered by the CFMEU. I see that now even the rest of the gang green party want to get rid of that nut case Disease Rhiannon. Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 26 June 2017 9:56:28 AM
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Shadow, based on what you say unproven waste of taxpayers money is corruption. Then what do you think of Tony Abbott and Bronwyn Bishop? To name just two Liberals who had their snouts firmly in the taxpayers trough. I don't think they were corrupt, greedy and self serving yes, corrupt no.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 26 June 2017 11:31:55 AM
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Paul,
There you go again putting words in my mouth how mendacious of you. Syph Hanson-Young has virtually the highest travel expenses in the parliament for a back-bencher and has already been rapped on the knuckles for unauthorised expenditure and as far as I can see has yet to pay it back. Trying to compare the $1m spent by Syph to the $5000 by BB for a helicopter ordered by her manager, or Abbott's parliamentary charity drive is disingenuous. I raised the point because you were posting lies about the ICAC findings. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 8:45:11 AM
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"Lies, deceit and fraud: How Eman Sharobeem took taxpayers for a ride
. Eman Sharobeem arrived at the ICAC on Monday a much diminished figure from the heady days of 2014 when she stood alongside then premier Mike Baird and received accolades as a finalist for the Australian of the year.
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Sharobeem faces ICAC accused of rorting public purse of $685,000
When she applied for the IWHS job, her CV contained no mention of a masters degree nor PhD. But by 2006 her CV claimed a PhD in psychology at the American University in Cairo. She began a diploma at UTS but abandoned it two years later.
She used the false qualifications in a calculated manner "to promote herself publicly" and in applications to funding bodies to receive funds for IWHS, Mr Rajalingam said.
She also used them in an application for Australian of the year 2015, claiming to have studied at university, obtained a PhD, a masters degree and a bachelor of business, the ICAC was told.
She also used the qualifications to obtain government appointments to the board of the Community Relations Commission and the Anti Discrimination Board, roles for which she was paid handsomely.."[SMH]
What about some of the decision-makers who were apparently asleep at the wheel being held publicly accountable? Bluntly, did the senior bureaucrats who failed the public in this case still get their performance bonuses?
-Not that their political masters at the time would ever be volunteering to be held accountable either, but they should be.