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Failure of the Gun Laws

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NRA-led gunnie asks: "Have you yet found a reference for your assertion that the NRA (US) has funded any organization in Australia?

No such assertion for which to find references. I assert that they lead the Australian chapter, not that they fund it any more than George Soros funds public resistance to the people's deadly enemies. The leadership is like the Soviet leadership of the Communist Party of Australia loosely covered by a fig leaf of fake separation but not necessary hard cash.

On another issue, hostility to the squattocracy (who pioneered the early colonial "boong drives" which continued until as recently as 1928) and its modern metastases is not the same as hostility to every citizen who works a farm. However the TV programme to which I referred reported that blatant illegal environmental vandalism was endemic among farmers in the region on which it was reporting. This leads to the conclusion that being a farmer is not a qualification (as asserted by the NRA-led gun freaks) for being trusted with guns.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 7 July 2017 11:21:00 AM
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Here's a handy reference to how the Yank NRA lies about Australia:

https://theconversation.com/faking-waves-how-the-nra-and-pro-gun-americans-abuse-australian-crime-stats-11678
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 7 July 2017 11:57:08 AM
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Here's a good reference to guns in the squatters' "safe hands":
https://c21ch.newcastle.edu.au/colonialmassacres/?
So far it relates only to the "boong drives" of the 19th century but the historical project is ongoing.

There's a comprehensive list of massacres in Australia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia which shows which were due to lax gun laws leaving guns in killers' hands.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Friday, 7 July 2017 2:17:47 PM
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EmperorJulian,

Your claimed 'gun control' promoting 'authority' is a self-described star-gazing astronomer.

What is fatal to your implied support of YOUR opinions by your 'expert' first, that he himself avows that his views are irrelevant to Australia, his article was solely directed at challenging some claims by the US NRA; secondly, he is woefully ignorant of Australian regulations (quite obvious); and he makes schoolboy howlers where statistics are concerned.

Taking the last point and referring to a reply to a post, there is nothing surprising to any statistician in a peak in the number of multiple homicides (in this case by firearm) returning to a low number nil. That was earlier described to you, 'regression to the mean'. Is your memory playing tricks on you? Or are you incapable of changing your mind where contrary evidence is presented? That is another cognitive error. I am allowing you the benefit of the doubt there, you could be being mischievous along with Paul1405, Mk 1, 2,or whatever it is today.

I will not bother to go back over the many pages here where your own claims have been thoroughly dispelled.

However I will agree with the stargazer where he says,

"Weapons (including knives) are only used in 13% of assaults and 2% of sexual assaults in Australia. Firearms are rarely the weapon used, and only 0.3% of assaults in New South Wales used firearms.

Firearm use is almost completely irrelevant to assault and sexual assault in Australia, and cannot be driving changes in these crimes. Suggesting otherwise is deceptive".

That proves again (see earlier posts) that the NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens are pushing a big sham with Soros' 'gun control' and they should be doing something useful like addressing the problems of those 'struggle streets' and indigenous communities, where the drugs, gangs and violence are booming and damaging women and children.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 7 July 2017 2:39:47 PM
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Here is a link that's worth a read:

http://theconversation.com/australias-gun-laws-save-lives-but-are-we-now-going-backwards-58134

This is a complex topic and we ought not to dismiss
arguments because they do not square with our gut
feelings. We need to have a proper conversation,
not a mud-slinging contest, regardless of which "side"
we are on. A debate and a discussion must be had, since
discussion can help us in achieving the goal we all want.
A country with less violence or, more realistically one where
fewer innocent people die.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 7 July 2017 4:33:51 PM
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Foxy,

That last link is one of the best jokes do far, it is full of inaccuracies and downright lack of knowledge.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 7 July 2017 5:01:29 PM
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