'So what do we do with Australians who have committed fascist acts of brutality and terror ? '

capital punishment!

Joe back in your tree,

Foxy (as I read what she has posted) and I, do not sympathize with terrorism or terrorists in any shape or form. While you and others, like Is Mise has just posted, are concentrating on pulling the wings off a few fly's (the crime and punishment aspect). Which I suspect is more to do with self gratification for you than anything else, it does not solve the deep seated problems. We on the other hand, are looking at the broader picture and systemic problems of the dung heap where the fly's are breeding.
I made the point, this is not a problem for one country, but for all of civilization. Your claim that Foxy and I are "pussy" about these things is well out of order!
We have had politicians, Bush, Blair and Howard for three, try the hard line, killing more innocent civilians, people you never mention, than anything else, and where are we, no more advanced than we were 20 years ago.
How many are you prepared to lock up in prisons at Oodnadatta or west of Betoota, or next door to your house? One, ten, ten thousand.

Runner "So what do we do with Australians who have committed fascist acts of brutality and terror?"
The answer for you should be simple, we let them continue as Priests and Brothers in the Catholic Church, protected by Rome.

Hi Paul,

Well, what then ? The bottom line is that brutal criminals can not be allowed to ever go free in Australia, nor (okay, two bottom lines) should they be able to communicate with anyone. Anyone.

As for your comment, "How many are you prepared to lock up in prisons at Oodnadatta or west of Betoota, or next door to your house? One, ten, ten thousand....."

next to my house, or anyone else's, none. How many out beyond Oodnadatta or Betoota for life ? It depends how many come back from their murderings and rapings overseas. The questions remain, Paul: how many would YOU lock up ? How many would you allow to remain on the streets ? And if not there, where ? In ordinary prisons, associating with other prisoners ? In solitary somewhere ? Then why not Oodnadatta or Betoota ?

Simple questions, now that you've bought into the argument: where ? And on what conditions ?

Now that ISIS is crumbling, the fleas will jump from its rotting carcase - and if back to Australia, then what do we do ?

Twist and turn, and talk about pulling wings off flies all you like, the questions remain :)

I suspect that dead silence will be the stern reply.

Cheers,

Joe

Dear Joe,

We've covered this issue so many times on this forum.
Yet you persist in throwing up the same old arguments.

The political and cultural institutions that govern
Australia are absolutely critical to the attitude of
harmony and tolerance. As stated so often in the past -
within an institutional framework that preserves tolerance
and protects order we can all live together in harmony.

There is one law we are all expected to abide by. It is
the law enacted by the Parliament under the Australian
Constitution. If you can't accept that then you don't
accept the fundamentals of what Australia is and what it
stand for. And if you break the law you should be dealt
with accordingly.

Dearest, sweet, gentle, loving Foxy,

Then what ? As you say " .... if you break the law you should be dealt with accordingly." But how, in these cases ?

Hard questions: can terrorists be allowed to mix with other prisoners ? Should they have visitors ? Phones ? No ? Then how to isolate them for life, where they can't do any more damage ? Then why not Betoota or Oodnadatta, or somewhere south of Mulan in WA ?

Sorry, dear, I'll keep on throwing up old and stale arguments until a better one is proposed :(

Love,

Joe

Foxy,

Firstly the articles to which you linked are opinion pieces, and in case you have difficulty interpreting the blindingly obvious:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom

The Guardian
Political leaning: Centre-left
Party support in 2015 General election: Labour Party/Green Party, liberal Democrats in marginal non-Labour seats

In a comparison of papers the Public rated the Guardian as the most left whinge publication closely followed by the Mirror then the Independent.

The fact that the author of the article to which you linked considered the manifesto to be "not radical enough" in spite of including nationalisation of private businesses, vast tax hikes on businesses and the wealthy and middle classes and a huge budget deficit, should point to a deep bias.

The proof of the pudding is that most Labour candidates make any reference to the manifesto or Corbyn in any of their electioneering material, because both are vote killers.