Creepy.

Foxy,

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it :)

Joe

Dear Joe,

I'm very selective on what I try.

In this debate we haven't a clear conclusion except that for atheists Torah believing Jews follow a pseudo history and Christians have a bloody history of murder. Therefore the Koran must be right they both should be eradicated.

It would be nice if the facts of the debate was current.

It’s not just atheists, Josephus.

<<… we haven't a clear conclusion except that for atheists Torah believing Jews follow a pseudo history and Christians have a bloody history of murder.>>

Many theists grant that, as well. The evidence is simply too overwhelming to deny it.

Christians and Muslims “follow a pseudo-history”, too, mind you. The Old Testament is the Jewish holy book, after all.

One thing you’ve brought to my attention, however, is the fact that we haven’t adequately examined the New Testament, which is arguably worse than the Old Testament. I mean, the New Testament:

- renders people responsible for things they haven’t done, with the doctrine of original sin;
- has the immoral doctrine of substitutionary atonement;
- introduces the concept of infinite punishment for finite crimes;
- encourages division (Luke 12:51).

The Sermon on the Mount, while it contains some good bits, has some horrible advice; some of it so bad that it creates a victim mentality and encourages Christians to behave like asses by telling them that the more they’re persecuted, the more right with God they (not mentioning any names but you know who you are, runner). And to top it all off, Jesus wholly endorses the old law anyway.

<<Therefore the Koran must be right they both should be eradicated.>>

No, no one’s concluded that. It sounds more, to me, like you’re just getting stroppy now.

We all know that Islamic doctrine has some serious problems. We don’t need to keep repeating that every time some bigot decides to start an Islam-bashing thread. What we do need to keep repeating (apparently) is that the Bible is also terrible, because no one seems to have any knowledge of it beyond a small handful of platitudes from Jesus, and this lack of knowledge leads to more intolerance.

"Oh, look! Even their book is horrible!"

<<It would be nice if the facts of the debate was current.>>

If our facts are out-of-date, then, by all means, tell us why. Did they find out that the ‘chariots in the Red Sea’ bit wasn’t actually a hoax after all?

A church is not a building but a gathering of like minded believers who join in worship.
Under that definition the Church of England and the Catholic Church would share as the first Christian churches in Australia; the Anglicans legally and the Catholics illegally.