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Sharia Law is coming (or is that forbidden?)

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I checked my pantry, and the only Halal certified product there is vegemite. Kraft sells 22 million jars of vegemite per year, so at $1,500, I just contributed a whopping 0.0068 cents to Islam.

Fair enough, but then I saw that it was Kosher...
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 7:15:43 AM
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I prefer Non Allah Achbar meat.
Why do I, the consumer want to pay the costs of a certification I'd rather not have in the first place?
Why must I eat meat that has been blessed on behalf of a religion whose beliefs and practices I do not agree with?
Does the practice not cause more suffering to the animal and if so why would I WANT to support something like that?

Talk about 'having something rammed down your throat'...
You can keep your Islam, I don't want it.
Don't I get a right to choose?

"Excuse me, Can you direct me to the Non Allah Achbar meat section please?"
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 7:37:07 AM
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Don't worry, AC,

The Greens, with their love and concern for nature, and the protection of animals, will be out in the streets in their hundreds when they hear about the slow and cruel death of sheep and cattle that halal requires. They might even boycott halal butcher shops. Or maybe not.

Of course, as some bright spark might suggest in apology for Islamic practices, you don't have to eat meat. But like you, I suspect, I love meat, I'm just about to have turkey mince on toast for breakfast: mmmmmm ! I wonder if turkey processing factories kill the birds in an approved halal way. And there they were, thinking it was still Christmas Eve.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 9:25:11 AM
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Joe,

I suspect the reason we’re not hearing from the Greens on the Halal slaughter process is because the stock are stunned for the process:

http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-is-halal-slaughter-in-australia_116.html

The Kosher slaughter process appears identical:

http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-is-kosher-slaughter-in-australia_117.html

Looks like vegemite isn’t the only Kosher product I’ll be boycotting.
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 9:44:44 AM
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Thanks AJ,

As the brochure says:

"A small number of abattoirs in Australia have been granted permission from the relevant State or Territory food authority to conduct religious slaughter without prior stunning – for either Halal or Kosher (Jewish slaughter) purposes. These ‘approvals’ are effectively exemptions to standard Australian slaughter practice and only apply to cattle and sheep. (All Halal slaughter of chickens in Australia includes prior stunning.)

"Our understanding (as of 2017) is that there are 8 abattoirs in Australia with approval to conduct slaughter without prior stunning in three different States:

New South Wales – 2 abattoirs
South Australia – 3 abattoirs
Victoria – 3 abattoirs."

And goes on:

"The RSPCA is concerned there are much greater risks of an animal suffering during slaughter without stunning than for conventional slaughter. Slaughtering an animal while fully conscious requires additional handling and restraint and means that the animal will experience pain associated with the throat cut and subsequent bleeding out. For these reasons, the RSPCA is strongly opposed to all forms of slaughter that do not involve prior stunning of the animal."

My limited understanding of halal slaughtering is that the animal has to be fully conscious, in order to understand its duty etc. to Allah.

As for kosher requirements, which Muslims have obviously adopted:

"For meat to be Kosher ....... [t]he animal must be killed so it feels little pain. A very sharp knife is used to cut the oesophagus, the trachea, carotid arteries and jugular veins in one smooth action. There must be no pause during the action nor excessive pressure on the blade. Failure to meet these specific requirements renders the animal unkosher.

"The national standard for meat production in Australia is that all animals must be effectively stunned (unconscious) prior to slaughter. Kosher slaughter does not comply with this standard."

I'll stick with the RSPCA rather than such barbaric cultural or religious practices.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:11:14 AM
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only 3 murdered in America today by Mohammed follower. Must be Trumps fault.

man hated whites. no whitelives matter movement? thought not.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/18/fresno-shooting-rampage-3-people-killed-suspect-yelled-allahu-akbar-made-posts-against-white-people.html
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:12:32 AM
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