The immutable facts are that Christians often don't follow the teachings of Christ and Muslims often follow the teachings of Muhammad, and therein lies the problem.

Dear Is Mise,

There are a large number of religions, many of whose
members are convinced that theirs is the one true faith
and that all others are misguided, superstitious, even
wicked. Therein lies the problem.

Paul,
You fail to recognise current facts, true followers of Christ take no slaves in war. For Christians all men are equal. I suggest you read the NT. Slavery was a payment system in the OT for debt owed. Slavery is rampant in Australia, as atheists stock their brothels with young imported women; and import young men for underpaid employment.

If you want to talk about slavery 4,000 years ago it is not relevant in todays world. Start attacking atheist brothel owners in todays society. Atheists have no moral conscience about using purchased slaves. They do not need a Koran or a Bible to justify their action. It is however true Islam still believes in taking slaves, as it has done in Africa and ISIS in Syria.

Foxy,

"There are a large number of religions, many of whose
members are convinced that theirs is the one true faith
and that all others are misguided, superstitious, even
wicked. Therein lies the problem"

What has that got to do with that which I said?

If all Christians followed Christ then there would be no problem and if all Moslems followed Muhammad the there would be an even greater problem.

Hi Paul,

Well, I DID write on Wednesday, 2.09 pm, that "Of course, the great majority of Muslims in Australia probably just go about their lives as Australians, abiding by Australian law, and not giving much thought to it all. Only a small minority, people like Keysar Trad and Anne Aly, would be pushing for the recognition of Shari'a law - at first, of course, only voluntarily for Muslims, then for all Muslims, but later - who knows ? "

I'll try to use little words about halal: what I wanted to know was: is all meat killed in Australian abattoirs (that's where they kill animals, Paul) (except pork, roo and fish) certified (that means approved, Paul; approved means it's okay to eat) and that the certifying had to be paid for by abattoirs to Muslim certification bodies (sorry, Paul, someone else might have to explain that to you), and the cost is passed on to customers: us.

So: are we paying for halal meat when we buy it in supermarkets or aren't we ? And for many other products ? Do stand-over tactics work in Australia ? Does 'culture' and religion intrude into Australian law ?

I suppose, if it worked for Tony Soprano, it could work for other bunches of crooks. I wonder why Catholic and other shonky Christian 'certification bodies' haven't tried this con-job in the past. Maybe they did: i.e. maybe we all have been paying for some bullsh!t Christian ceremony to be said over slowly-dying animals.

Are we all mugs, or what ?

Joe

Dear Is Mise,

You ask, "what has that got to do with what I
just said?"

Go back and read what you just said, and then
take an intelligent guess.