Dearest Foxy,

'Tu quoque' arguments are usually pretty fruitless: of course, churches and other organisations with power over children have committed dreadful crimes. But that's not the issue here.

Should people be allowed freedom of belief or not ? Should, say, Muslims be allowed to believe what they like ? I suggest, yes. Can Buddhists ? Yes. Can Hindus ? Yes. And as an atheist, I would support their rights to freedom of belief. And I would support the unbullied right of Christians to freedom of belief. This would include the right to discuss related issues with each other, and with others, free of harassment.

I would support the views of Jurgen Habermas, an unequivocally Leftist philosopher:

"Christianity has functioned for the normative self-understanding of modernity as more than mere precursor or a catalyst. Egalitarian universalism, from which sprang the ideas of freedom and social solidarity, of an autonomous conduct of life and emancipation, of the individual morality of conscience, human rights, and democracy, is the direct heir to the Judaic ethic of justice and the Christian ethic of love."

Also, note Geoffrey Robertson's endorsement of 'Good Samaritan laws' as "one of the keys to the historical development of international human rights."

Not much bullying there, Foxy. Would you support those observations ?

Love,

Joe

Foxy

if you can't see that killing unborn babies is bullying to the highest order then you need to open your eyes and heart.

runner,

You first!

Ex-politicians in charge of Beyondblue:

How to describe: leave house front door keys under porch welcome mats so burglars can get easy access to regularising homes; at a murder scene, Miss Marple solves the murder after inventing evidence, that Miss Marple murders murder victims, as police are too stupid to realise; chicken farmers letting foxes guard hen houses; trusted Catholic priests who claim to represent god, found to molest children, that bishops knew and/or suspected and did nothing.

Leaving politicians and/or ex-politicians to police mental heath organisations after having been responsible and/or in association with responsible ministers and bureaucrats for state government controlled: school education; mental institutions; university psychology degree curriculum, teaching BS Freudian theory. That politicians enforce (protested by many people) teaching to tests child/teenager school education. Mental health of citizenry determines which political policies rather than political personality performance often being no more than accusing an alternative political party after having been in government of being responsible for terrible present outcomes.
http://www.beyondblue.org.au/

Has Beyondblue: commissioned studies on what causes many mental illnesses?; published studies on mental heath other than statistic awareness?; does Beyondblue question the quality of children's television programs?; Does Beyondblue have real expert moving forwards management?... I speculate, any person wanting to know what's being done, are directed to Beyondblue who are merely a glossy campaign to indicate help is being provided.

Jeff Kennett may have been a good smiling face front man for an organisation that talked and talked. I realised when Julia Gillard was prime minister, when Julia Gillard was seen outside of parliament (while in parliament being present during question time, often Julia was bullying the opposition), Julia spent most of her time touring the country visiting schools. School children would have been excited to meet an in office prime minister in person representing the Labor Party as though she was using her prime minister status child felt promoting democracy by her mere presence, same as candidates old style walking down main street lined with shops, shaking hands with passing adult voters.

Julia Gillard on her recent acceptance speech, news narrator said she had been overseas at education conferences.

I theorise, by interpreting what can be seen, one of politicians jobs is to keep citizenry stupid, what better way than controlling childhood education. What religion did in the past, school education and television does now. As religion was constantly getting in front of citizenry, going on about god, the devil and Jesus, using persuasive conviction expressions (persuasive bullying) as though bible stories are true stories recorded by prophets twisted bible paragraphs, religious conveyors begin with names that what a bible recorded person said, attempting to convey a moral message. Media use what politicians said, information leaves citizenry (skilfully) uninformed, promoting some moral/ethical/government process moving forwards go nowhere for citizenry to personally benefit. Compared to bible scripture, that after a short unclear sentence message, politicians performance are the main focus. That whatever human curiosity is left, politicians statements, by media commentators, quickly turns to politicians names and faces bickering between each other statements.

School education use history to focus attention on names of people who were responsible for doing something: Napoleon; George Washington; Abraham Lincoln; the list goes on... now media constantly bring up media's made famous names: Donald Trump; Malcolm Turnbull; etc... that some speech: moral; personal attack on an opposition party leader; what should happen; same sex marriage; whatever... workers merely driving to work, listening to the radio, hearing music (church quire/choir) or listening to radio talk program shock jocks, constant attention creates neuron connections in brains that I say keeps citizenry stupid, filling memories with manipulating propaganda.

Beyondblue does what? The above post on first reading the post, was about politicians, not mentioning what the change from Jeff Kennett to Julia Gillard will provide. The post does little more than provide more names distraction and free speech to freely criticise authority, in front of readers to read.

As media doesn't criticise school education as a cause of bullying and/or mental illness, media constantly criticise politicians, creating various no person goes to jail scandals, that bullying and mental health are merely awareness. The lack of attention towards criticising school education for being responsible for bullying, that lack of debate in itself is bullying. Establishment authority refuse to question their own methods of controlling citizenry.

Excluding the type of bullying mentioned in the below attachment, type of person teaching students indicates the type of methods used to teach youthful students, that bullying children to learn is deemed acceptable by principles going up the chain of authority.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Longfellow-School-Teacher-Accused-of-Bullying-Students-416788033.html

South Park did an episode specifically scripted to show bullying. South Park Jesus appeared and began bullying South Park movie producer character.
http://cliqueclack.com/tv/2012/04/12/south-park-butterballs-quotes/

Religion is a form of bullying, priests telling god believers what to believe: the devil; hell; sins against god... what believers should do. That Catholic school nuns and priests used learning bible scriptures in order to save children's souls, to bully students into submission to authority, dummying down student intelligence by depriving students from more intelligent thought provoking knowledge. One elderly women I have met, told me she hatted the nuns during her catholic school education.

Present day school teachers forced labours are more about obeying authority out of fear using academic studying, that the information being learnt is no better than bible scriptures: long ago history; unproven climate change; dinosaurs; New Horizon I say are fake pictures from Pluto; Solar system planets, Milky Way... all of which unproven knowledge must be believed merely because if not remember for tests, test score numbers will be fewer.