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Posted by leoj, Saturday, 25 February 2017 6:02:09 PM
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Dear Jayb, Here is another link that's worth a read: http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend-the-astonishing-journey-of-surgeon-munjed-al-muderis-20140918-10iqce.html Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 25 February 2017 6:04:12 PM
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Foxy,
Of all those good people that you cite, how many do not think that the whole of the Qur'an is not the revealed word of God? Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 25 February 2017 6:37:30 PM
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SMH: Islam is the fourth largest religious grouping in Australia – after Christianity, irreligion, and Buddhism, accounting for 2.2% of the country’s population,
This 2.2% has caused Australia to have a Security problem. A problem we didn’t have before the moslims arrived in numbers. Did you see the report about setting up a moslim Nation inside Australia? Ahmed Fahour ripped Australia to the tune of $5.6 million a year & setting up a business for his sister & Brother-in-Law (Islamic Museum & Canteen) with 10% going to Islamic Charity &, as most people believe, eventually to Islamic Terrorists. Ed Husic swore an oath to Islam on his swearing in. Not to Australia. Khoder Nasser representing Drugo’s in Sport. Captain Mona Shindy. Now there a nice bit of controversy undermining The Australian Armed Forces. Her & the Imam for the Armed Forces. WOW! Bachar Houli, Cory Paterson, Adem Yze. Footballers, says it all. Anthony Mundine. A great Australian? I & most other people don’t think so. Waleed Aly. Covert fanatic & lefty. Dr Munjed Al Muderis. Why isn’t he in Iraq helping his own people? The others I don’t know. I wonder how they feel about being able to bash women or to be bashed or if infidels should be killed for a perceived insult to their religion. You & I don’t know. They may or may not agree that we should be killed. Don't hold you breath for an answer, all you'll get is a Deflection. Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 25 February 2017 10:17:18 PM
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Jayb, yes it is partly a matter of numbers.
As Foxy will attest, there were Muslims here in the 1800s. They were of such small number that it made no difference. Same goes for Chinese and other Asians. Small numbers, little difference. Large numbers (getting larger all the time), potential dynamite. Foxy, "To deny that is to deny your own existence and heritage." I don't deny how this nation was founded. But those times are past and the people were of a common heritage/civilisation (all European). The numbers were small at first, so cohesion was obligatory. You couldn't cordon off a ghetto for Cornish only. If there'd been larger "diverse" groups, even of Europeans, there'd be more "Troubles" in our history. Today, the numbers are vast and there is no uniting foundation between the thousands of groups. "Human" is not a unifying foundation. If it were, world history would not be a "river of blood", with brief episodes of peace. You condemn what happened in 1788? How about the Tibetans? But applaud the displacement occurring under your own eyes in Australia today. We have no control over past events or other countries. We should have control over what happens in our own lifetime in our own land. Posted by Shockadelic, Sunday, 26 February 2017 8:14:56 AM
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Shockadelic
You said, "I don't deny how this nation was founded. But those times are past and the people were of a common heritage/civilisation (all European)." Suggest that you look up the Negroes in the First Fleet. "It has been estimated that over 20000 Australians are direct descendants of two Black African Convicts who arrived on the transport ship Alexander with the First Fleet in 1788." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~johnrandall2/ Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 26 February 2017 8:57:10 AM
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http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
"In an essay for the Sunday Times, Trevor Phillips, the host of the documentary and a former head of Britain's Equality and Human Rights Commission, warned of a growing "chasm" between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain that "isn't going to disappear any time soon."
Phillips wrote that the poll reveals "the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future." He added: "I thought Europe's Muslims would gradually blend into the landscape. I should have known better."
Phillips was referring to his role in commissioning the 1997 report, "Islamophobia: A Challenge for Us All." Also known as the Runnymede Report, the document popularized the term "Islamophobia" in Britain and had a singular role in silencing criticism of mass immigration from the Muslim world. Twenty years later, Phillips now concedes that he has had a change of heart.
In an essay for the Daily Mail, Phillips, wrote:
"There is a life-and-death struggle for the soul of British Islam — and this is not a battle that the rest of us can afford to sit out. We need to take sides.
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"Liberal-minded Muslims have been saying for some time that our live-and-let-live attitudes have allowed a climate to grow in which extremist ideas have flourished within Britain's Muslim communities. Our politicians have tried to reassure us that only a tiny minority hold dangerous views.
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"Britain's liberal Muslims are crying out for this challenge to be confronted. The complacency we've displayed so far is leaving them to fight alone, and putting our society in danger. We cannot continue to sit on the fence in the hope that the problem will go away."