Of course, that should read "RISEN dramatically".

G'day there PAUL1405...

Sentencing has always proved controversial in Oz, more often than not aligned to an emotional perspective. If you were to canvas a group of detectives, as a general rule the length of penal servitude is always patently insufficient. Whereas if you were to discuss it with say the NSW Prisoner's Action Group, the penalties are always excessive and dreadfully unfair.

The worst crime in my (operational) memory was the Virginia MORSE murder. Though I can make no claim to be an integral part of that investigation, I was nevertheless on the periphery of the matter, and so horrid were the circumstances, a senior detective who was among those at the very coal face needed to be restrained when he removed his revolver and was about to shoot the pair (Messrs CRUMP & BAKER) out of hand ! There were several members who openly wept, when dealing with Mrs MORSE'S remains at the crime scene.

I believe crimes against the person resonate far more with the public's perception of adequate penalties, than property crimes. Whether foreigners should or shouldn't receive exactly the same penalty as anyone else, is immaterial. Any member of the judiciary worth their salt, should be quite impartial when the ethnicity of an individual bears any relationship, apropos their degree of culpability, or the degree of punishment, as long as all the other safeguards and standards are appropriately observed. Specifically the mens rea (guilty mind) and the actus reus (the criminal act) are stringently preserved and safeguarded.

That is why police add the additional 'anunga (sic) rules' to the ordinary 'judges rules' at the point of arrest of an aboriginal for a serious indictable offence. It simply provides additional protections for the charged (aboriginal) individual, as more often than not, they've not got a clue as to what's going on, to a greater or lessor degree.

Likewise police must always ensure ethnic people fully comprehend what's occurring, whenever they come under police notice, to do otherwise, you'll lose a heap of bark from the presiding judiciary whenever you 'jump the box' so to speak.

Speaking of far right blowhards, Leo W can't say its good to hear from the 'reincarnated one' as you obliviously are, but never the less here you are slogging away at The Greens as if you had never left the forum and gone into several months of hibernation. Were you incarcerated for a time, what was the wrap. Can we compare your time out with that of notorious evil doer Achmad Muhammad? If for no other reason than have Banjo add you both to his ever growing list of statistics.
Or you could comment on the outcomes of the two murder cases I put forward.

Hi o sung wu,

I totally agree, crimes against the person should always attract a higher penalty than property crime.
My point on this thread is, it is both impossible and unreasonable to believe that any of us, including Banjo, can some how make a reasonable estimate as to the fairness or otherwise of sentence based on a scant media report.
It would like asking was is the penalty for failing an RBT? The answer it varies according to the reading. the circumstance. the history etc.
I once sat on a jury for several months in a criminal case, and the evidence was painstaking, volumes of it, daily transcripts, the lot. What was presented in the court room, compared to what was reported in the papers was chalk and cheese.

Paul1405,

You do carry on like when the facts do not support your opinions.

Rather than fly into rage and invective you would be better off pulling your head in and educating yourself. Those years of exposure to politics that you claim is a long time to be ignorant of the basics.

Start with s21A(1), Crime (Sentencing procedures) Act.

Hey AJ Philips,
"What constitutes fake news has nothing to do with the political persuasion of the news.
Fake news is the deliberate spreading of misinformation, and it’s easy to spot."

I can tell you I see elements of biased reporting, mistruths, deliberate omission facts etc. in a lot of mainstream media articles; maybe as much as half.
You can argue all you want and maybe you and others are too stupid to spot it, but tha'ts how it is.
I've actually looked at and watched many different sources within the independent so-called 'alt-right' media for years so I see both sides of the story, not just the one side you get.
Your being played and you're too stupid to see it.
http://www.infowars.com/why-mainstream-media-websites-are-censoring-removing-comment-sections/

Even Huffington Post admitted Trump was right, but they must've got the phone call to take the article down.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-is-absolutely-right-about-sweden_us_58ad5eb1e4b0598627a55e94

How bout this one?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/sweden-30-grenade-attacks-in-6-months-in-muslim-dominated-malmo
http://www.rt.com/uk/378164-farage-trump-rape-sweden/

Let me ask you do you know The Washington Post got a $600 million contract from the CIA?
http://www.thenation.com/article/amazon-washington-post-and-600-million-cia-contract/

You're right they aren't spoon feeding you.
You're face down in the trough slurping it up.

They want control of three things: Currency, Government, Flow of Information.
They need to control the flow of information, this is why they started the campaign for 'fake' news.
People are starting to listen to other media sources and not the corporate media.
The people are starting to realise the corporate media is not reporting on whats really going on and that they're using propaganda to convince people.

Heres another Sweden article btw.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265873/refugee-rape-gangs-sweden-dawn-perlmutter

[Cont..]
How many times does the mainstream media and the 'useful idiots' bang on about Russia stealing Crimea?
Where's the reporting the facts that Victoria Nuland admitted US spent $5bln in connection with Soros groups organising and mounting a coup?

What about Libya?
Where's the reporting that that Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice etc, overthrew Ghaddafi, destroyed an entire nation and created 2 million refugees that entered Europe, and opened the door to other African refugees?

What about Assad?
That the US has been training arming and funding the rebels, who are not 'moderate', knowingly used IS and allowed them to expand based on an Anti-Assad agenda?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-betrays-iran-deal-as-predicted-edges-closer-to-war/5572348

What about WMD's in Iraq?
It's all lies, there's plenty of evidence to see in white papers and other publications if you simply go looking for it.

Everything they accuse Trump of they've been doing themselves.
Did you know Bill Clinton sent a team to Russia to help get Yeltsin re-elected?
Or that he signed off allowing the consolidation of the media into the 6 main US companies today?
McCain soliciting Electoral contributions from Russia?
Clinton Foundation receiving payment for selling 20% US Uranium to Russia?

At this point I think its fair to say the Trump administration is under siege, (though this will have to be business as usual) and I'd expect a few things to unfold in the following months.
The protest movements and media attacks on Trump will increase, coinciding with attacks on the Pro-Trump Pro-Sovereign Independent media by Tech Giants to shut down their funding and silence them.
This is an attempt to divide Trump from his supporters.
There's also going to be a push to have Trump removed using the 25th Amendment saying he's 'unfit for office'.
If Trump can be undermined enough that his administration is in shambles AND divided from his supporters and his approval rating lowered by a complicit media, the bought-and-paid-for Republican Establishment will go along with Trumps removal.

It's pretty much sink or swim for Trumpy at the moment, and I'm not sure he's capable of fighting off the attacks against him.